Ngo Cho Kun

[konghan]

I have certain opinions about joining a tournament. Being protected by rules of the tournament, one tends to hide behind the rules and result in some dependence. That will result in "damages" in the reflexes that are useful in a self-defense situation.

I believe you know very well what I mean. NCK has so many techniques that aim the parts of the body that are forbidden in a tournament.

I have certain experiences that confirm my opinions.

What's your view on joining a tournament? Please share it with us.

I agree that ring tournaments are cover with rules that will limit the use of certain techniques but I donot agree that it will damage certain reflexes for street fighting.

I believ that ring tournaments is a good place to try out basic techniques against a trained fighter. It also help defeats anti kung fu critics that kung fu is not an effective fighting style, art or form.

It also make us to train hard to condition our body against hits at the same time develop our hitting & attacking power & confidence.

Some basic techniques that can be develop in ring tournaments are proper punching power, kicking power, footwork, leg catching, takedowns, throws, stamina, endurance, sweeping, presence of mind, reflexes & good timing in executing those technique.

NCK techniques that are effective in san shou are the
1.leg grab then sweep or flip opponent over.
2. kiyaw kian found in pah kat. lifting the opponent by going in under his two legs & throwing him over your shoulder.
3. the double sweep, this technique can be converted to instead of sweeping go kick the back of the knee at the same time delivering a back hand fist punch to the face.
4. the elbow break in sam chien, very effective if properly timed against an incoming straight punch.
5. the double low block + the front kick very effective against those who who want to execute a wrestling type of attack by going for your two legs.
6. the the di sip kun punching
7. testing your forearm power against kicks
8. the scissor attack

There are several NCK techniques found in our forms that can be disected & use in ring tournaments.

Ring tournaments is an altenate to street fighting since it is very rare that we get into a street fight now adays, time have change we no longer live in a time were street fighting is a common thing. Lets` just say we are more civilize now.

If one can execute a good technique in a ring tournament against a well trained fighter than chances are in a street fight he can defeat attacker or attackers without even having to use any deadly techniques like eye attack.

[Nothingness]

I agree on the timing and execution issues. However, please pardon me for having a different thoughts.

"Breaking" the forms to be used in confirmation with a tournament's rules is like redirecting the flow of the water. The flow will no longer natural and hence it will become less efficient and effective.

Have you ever had to stop your attacks in a spar because it aims to a dangerous part of the body? It happens in a split second. You are facing an attack and you react with a reflex aiming to a dangerous part of the body.

Imagine this happens in a tournament. You lost that split second and your opponent could take that opportunity to knock you down. If you don't stop the attack, you will get disqualified and may bear a moral responsibility.

Please advise,

L.

[konghan]

I agree on the timing and execution issues. However, please pardon me for having a different thoughts.

"Breaking" the forms to be used in confirmation with a tournament's rules is like redirecting the flow of the water. The flow will no longer natural and hence it will become less efficient and effective.

Have you ever had to stop your attacks in a spar because it aims to a dangerous part of the body? It happens in a split second. You are facing an attack and you react with a reflex aiming to a dangerous part of the body.

Imagine this happens in a tournament. You lost that split second and your opponent could take that opportunity to knock you down. If you don't stop the attack, you will get disqualified and may bear a moral responsibility.

Please advise,

L.

The flow will not become unnatural & less efficient in fact it will enhance your confidence in executing a technique naturally & automatically you`ll be able to react against your opponents attacks.

No I don`t stop, becuase in tournament sparing specially in san shou type, fighters wear safety gear. What you want to do is focus your energy & attack at your opponents open spots. I focus on knocking out my opponent & using all necessary force to win. And I know that my opponent will not stop or show mercy at me either. what is standing between me & him from really killing each other is the referee & the tournament rules.

You don`t hesitate to attack, the only time you get disqualified if you intentional execute a fouled technique, one must be able to stay focus & control oneself of figthing within the fight rules if not one may have difficulty in staying focus in a real street fight.

A lot of times I see fighters ill prepared they swing punches wildly & off target, they kick with out power & focus, they have the tendancy to cover up or turn their back when their opponent start swinging punches.

In fact, I really believ that our NCK is suited for both street & ring fighting as I have pointed out the techniques are the same techniques that one have to disect for both ring or street fighting situation.

The one thing I like about full contact sparing is the stamina & endurance without it one cannot execute technqiues properly. Master the 5 power principle & one can be a superior fighter be it in the ring or in the street doesn`t matter.

[sherwinc]

4. the elbow break in sam chien, very effective if properly timed against an incoming straight punch.

the KWE KUN, KWE (Double Palm Opening Stance) or (Opening/Centering Hand Form) can also used to elbow break against opponents incoming straight punch

[konghan]

Check this out:
here in North America, Canada there are several MA tournaments that are geared for developing kung fu of all styles. There are now eapon sparing, long vs short etc. san shou type of sparing, form competition that are suited not only for wu shu but for all kung fu styles. And this tournaments are a good venure to get students motivated & interested in training & develop their respective skills & styles.

[konghan]

I like the long weapon sparing I like to test the NCK pole techniques in it. I have been studying it & experimenting with it, I`m really tempted to join. I`m trying to prepare my son to participate in it maybe next year.

In fact here in Vancouver alone there are about 5 such tournaments is a year. Tournaments are part of a martial art program including public demonstration to keep the kung fu style alive & active as well as to keep students motivated & a meaning of pursuite of martial excellence.

Tournaments is the alternative of the past ways of wars, battles, duels & street fighting. It is a means to channel the energy of kung fu athletes to a more constructive manner of keeping & preserving kung fu, in our case ngo cho kun to the world.

[konghan]

ngo cho kun 7 ft pole

[konghan]

Why is it that the Wu Zu Quan International Federation always held its convention - tournaments in Quangzhou not on other Fujian cities like, Xiamen, Putian, Fuzhou?

[sherwinc]

ngo cho kun 7 ft pole

KongHan, if i am not mistaken, this guy who holds the 7ft pole is an example of a Southern KungFu cause he held/hold his pole on its end......

but if the guy who holds the pole on its both end is an example of a Northern KungFu.....

but if the guy who holds the pole on its center with both hands at least 24 inches apart is an example of a Japanese Type of Martial Arts......

i am right?

[sherwinc]

this is an example of the Japanese type of Pole, cause they held the pole in its center with both hands but at least 24 inches apart.....

[sherwinc]

the KungFu pole that i see in the movie Spiritual KungFu by Jackie Chan is a good example of a Northern KungFu Pole, cause Jackie Chan held his pole on the pole's both ends......

while his Shaolin's sparring partners is in Southern KungFu pole.....

[konghan]

KongHan, if i am not mistaken, this guy who holds the 7ft pole is an example of a Southern KungFu cause he held/hold his pole on its end......

but if the guy who holds the pole on its both end is an example of a Northern KungFu.....

but if the guy who holds the pole on its center with both hands at least 24 inches apart is an example of a Japanese Type of Martial Arts......

i am right?

It is southern kung fu of ngo cho kun. Ngo cho kun 7 ft. pole or majority of its long weapon routines are kept close to the body.

[Nothingness]

KongHan,

I just recently viewed a home video recording of one of the WZQ Int'l conference in Fujian. I see a lot of yellow shirt/ blue trousers guys from Kong Han doing demo . Do you happen to know what level of students they usually send out? Does Kong Han have a belt/sash system?

[konghan]

KongHan,

I just recently viewed a home video recording of one of the WZQ Int'l conference in Fujian. I see a lot of yellow shirt/ blue trousers guys from Kong Han doing demo . Do you happen to know what level of students they usually send out? Does Kong Han have a belt/sash system?

Kong Han don`t have belt or sash ranking. Kong Han is very traditional, the sash color red that Kong Han wear is their club color which is red. Other clubs would have either yellow or black or other color sash.

Participants should be in level 4 si mun pah kat and know at least one weapon usually it is the 5 foot pole. This means their training is at least more than 2 years.

[Nothingness]

I am very glad to see such enthusiasm.

I am sorry, I don't mean to be rude. I asked a question, but I didn't provide the information myself. I simply forgot.

My school used to have a sash rank system: white, yellow, pink, green, blue, brown, black, and red.

Brown is an assistant instructor, black is an instructor, red is a graduate. The reds have dots to provide the seniority.