Ngo Cho Kun

[konghan]

i cant see his stance, maybe he's on T-shaped Stance.....

but kungfu usually cant fight better if they are wearing gloves on their fists.....

Not this ngo cho kun, with or without gloves it can match up well in any situation.

[sherwinc]

Not this ngo cho kun, with or without gloves it can match up well in any situation.

that is the reason why i am still searching other faq's of this NgoChoKunKungFu, and i believe that with or without gloves/heavy body protectors footgloves - still, this kind of kungfu can match.....

i am already tired of studying wingchun, i almost use solid wingchun unto my opponent, and if i am not satisfy, i combined it all wingchun, chidianbun, ngochokun.....

as to my experience.... wingchun and chidianbun is very useless if you are wearing fist gloves, foot gloves, and body protectors..... cause its a restriction of body movements.....

i'll prefer wearing none of armour versus opponent whose body is full of protectors in a tournament.....

[konghan]

that is the reason why i am still searching other faq's of this NgoChoKunKungFu, and i believe that with or without gloves/heavy body protectors footgloves - still, this kind of kungfu can match.....

i am already tired of studying wingchun, i almost use solid wingchun unto my opponent, and if i am not satisfy, i combined it all wingchun, chidianbun, ngochokun.....

as to my experience.... wingchun and chidianbun is very useless if you are wearing fist gloves, foot gloves, and body protectors..... cause its a restriction of body movements.....

i'll prefer wearing none of armour versus opponent whose body is full of protectors in a tournament.....

I donot know match about wing chun, only what I see in public peformances & read in books. But I always beleive that kung fu in general is a well rounded art, it can be use for long term health purposes through the regular training of the forms from hard to soft, then there is the fighting aspect too either fighting in a street or in a ring kung fu should be able to adopt.

Yesterday, I attended The Tiger Balm sponsor martial art tournament, it was a very interesting event there was san shou, karate, tae kwan do, kung fu, pankration, brazillian jujitsu, padded weapon sparring, & kickboxing.

In the san shou I notice many fighters are not prepared, they throw kicks & punches wildly without much power & many were low on stamina. Remember in san shou they wear gloves. The only control sparing without gloves will be in the point system of tapping attack, maybe something like that will work for you that is if you have future plans to participate in a tournament.

[konghan]

I notice that each school of ngo cho kun seem to have different variations. Me, I`m of Konghan Philippines ngo cho kun style. which involves a lot of concentrated muscle tensioning & emphasises a lot on the use of full power in executing forms that include speed. The toughest form for me is tien te chien which usually after performing 3x my shoulders, entire arms & legs gets tired but tired in a sense with the sensation of muscle building up. I was wondering how other ngo cho kun train?

[sherwinc]

I notice that each school of ngo cho kun seem to have different variations. Me, I`m of Konghan Philippines ngo cho kun style. which involves a lot of concentrated muscle tensioning & emphasises a lot on the use of full power in executing forms that include speed. The toughest form for me is tien te chien which usually after performing 3x my shoulders, entire arms & legs gets tired but tired in a sense with the sensation of muscle building up. I was wondering how other ngo cho kun train?

my kungfu instructor is also from KongHan and its GoChoKun instructor there is Chua Yi Sin.....

My instructor is not a solid GoChoKun cause his instructor is deported, so he find another kungfu school in Manila, Philippines and his second KungFu school is in Philippine E-NEE in a kungfu art of ChiDianBun KungFu.

My instructor always said to us that he never did teach us NgoChoKun, but only its some Training like KiaBeSe and push-up positioning with a timewatch, 20punches form or DiSipKun.... its purpose is to have power in our hand attacks in ChiDianBun KungFu, cause ChiDianBun KungFu is unlimited on its numerous hand techniques but NgoChoKun is the most powerful of all.....

My instructor said that if your body structure is not fitted to train NgoChoKun then you are not allowed to train that kind of kungfu, why???
cause due to its Sam Chien power execution, if your body is not fitted... well you can achieve NgoKiLat but maybe a year later you will spit blood out of your mouth due to power tensioning.... and that is the reason why almost all practitioners of NgoChoKun has a big body structure (not a muscle type body but the one that is fitted to train that kind of kungfu)

My instructor said that NgoChoKun is capable of intercepting opponents fist by his own fist (fist to fist collision) cracking of fist bones in a fist to fist collision...... and NgoChoKun moves like a ROBOT BULLDOZER, just like what you did in 20punches you act like a robot bulldozer, after your execute a Kim defense to opponents punch you immediately attack him close distance with you Chiee Punch 3times to bulldoze his chest..... (its theory is the punch fist like an armoured piercing that the fist when it hits the chest it will dig and go tru its back......)

Talking About Ratio of Hits:
10 punches of ChiDianBun KungFu equals only 1 punch of NgoChoKun

10 punches of ChiDianBun KungFu equals also 10 punches of WingChun

well, TaiChiChuan is the most powerfull puncher of all KungFu but when it comes to speed/rapid NgoChoKun will win.....

My instructor said that his version of NgoChoKun is merged with Chua Style Tai Chi Chuan.... and the sister art of NgoChoKun KungFu is AngKa KungFu (Lohan, Arhats KungFu boxing)

ChiDianBun KungFu is merged with a Hik Style Tai Chi Chuan.

since my instructor know 5 Style of TaiChiChuan (Hik, Chua, Yang, Tan, Kiaw Styles) but Hik Style TaiChiChuan is his favorite TaiChi.... they have their own unique applications.... just like those of Chen, Yang, Sun, Wu Style Tai Chi Chuan that you know there in your country.....

But my instructor teach me only 4 aphabets of NgoChoKun and thats Chiee, Pian, Kim, Kaw.... but he always said that he never teach us NgoChoKun.....

so...... i buy a book of NgoChoKun (BengKiam School version) just to increase my knowledge in NgoChoKun and i learned there in that book another 25 alphabets of NgoChoKun as to my advantages......

maybe.... i have a complete references of WingChun here that i get tru books and internet, so, adding of ngochokun is a great hobby that i have now......

HAW HAW HAW

[yentao]

Here is a picture of NGO CHO KUN in action during the 70`s. This is a full contact mix martial art tournament.

Was the tournament event in the Philippines? I heard there was a tournament in the 70's where a Kong Han member won in just a few punches.

[yentao]

i cant see his stance, maybe he's on T-shaped Stance.....

but kungfu usually cant fight better if they are wearing gloves on their fists.....

I think the NCKguy in the picture was able to step in a 45 degree angle and was able to take half of the opponents weight following up with a punch. I think the punch was solid so with or without the gloves it will work if you know where and when to hit.

[konghan]

Was the tournament event in the Philippines? I heard there was a tournament in the 70's where a Kong Han member won in just a few punches.

Yup, 2 KongHan members actually, one won in the arnis section. If you look at it carefully, notice how the head of the other guy snaps back.

[Nothingness]

Konghan,

I am reinstating my statement that I think you should start teaching. It doesn't have to be a formal bu-koan, but it is sad if the tradition isn't attended.


Best regards,

L.

[Pitbullz]

sherwin: its not true...ask danny about my mentor o-kue...hes is not the chubbies guy you will meet in the block hehehe but he is one of the best or the 2nd best when it comes to ki chiu

konghan: if u happen to see any job opening in canada,pls give me the contacts...im fed up with how skilled labor is being exploited here in the PI...being an experienced veteran 3d animator,i should be earning my worth in gold,but not from this country its not...willing to start small in a big country so long as my 2 beloved dogs can go as well hehehe

PS: are those your children? they all look so healthy and chubby. i was with dr.andy lim at his clinic awhile ago,he is also thinking of where you went too...ur email ended up in the bulk folder again,maybe i should turn off the filter now,realizing that ur email ended there i guess MADAMI emails are getting lost there too...

[konghan]

sherwin: its not true...ask danny about my mentor o-kue...hes is not the chubbies guy you will meet in the block hehehe but he is one of the best or the 2nd best when it comes to ki chiu

konghan: if u happen to see any job opening in canada,pls give me the contacts...im fed up with how skilled labor is being exploited here in the PI...being an experienced veteran 3d animator,i should be earning my worth in gold,but not from this country its not...willing to start small in a big country so long as my 2 beloved dogs can go as well hehehe

PS: are those your children? they all look so healthy and chubby. i was with dr.andy lim at his clinic awhile ago,he is also thinking of where you went too...ur email ended up in the bulk folder again,maybe i should turn off the filter now,realizing that ur email ended there i guess MADAMI emails are getting lost there too...

I will e-mail you, in fact with your comercial skill there are good opportunities here. Yup, I remember Andy, say hi to him. Is he marreid?

[konghan]

Konghan,

I am reinstating my statement that I think you should start teaching. It doesn't have to be a formal bu-koan, but it is sad if the tradition isn't attended.


Best regards,

L.

Actually thats` what I plan. At present i`m teaching privately & training my kids so that when that day comes, I`ll have some knowledegeable helpers to help me with the students. I find it better to teach a small class like 5-6 than a big class. I also plan to participate in several local tournaments here in North America. If my timetable goes on schedule, chances are next year my small team will be publicly active.

Sherwin:

about all NCK are big heavy set of people thats` a wrong presumption. NCK is for all sizes, it is more a matter of how one develop that "seh" or qi power combine with timing, footwork, power & speed.

And as what Pit have said, one of my mentor "antwah" (big-bro) O-Kue is very nimbel, fast & he has that whipping power in his techniques, he is very agile, he is slim but not skinny.

[yentao]

Yup, 2 KongHan members actually, one won in the arnis section. If you look at it carefully, notice how the head of the other guy snaps back.

I heard,

That event usually occured every sunday in the late 70's but since no one can beat the NCK guys so it finally closed down.

[sherwinc]

I heard,

That event usually occured every sunday in the late 70's but since no one can beat the NCK guys so it finally closed down.

I think this is true, cause even our instructor said that we Chi Dian Bun Kung Fu can fight all types of Chinese Martial Arts except Ngo Cho Kun cause our chi dian bun cannot meet to equal the force of Ngo Cho Kun's fists.

My Instructor also believe that Ngo Cho Kun is the only KungFu that can defeat the Southern Eagle Claw KungFu.

He teach us everything about kungfu but not the fists of NgoChoKun and Southern Eagle Claw KungFu.....

Maybe, the only kungfu who can defeat NgoChoKun by 50% is Tai Chi Chuan.....

but it all depends upon the person on how he practice his art..... i talk about only style versus style....

[konghan]

I think this is true, cause even our instructor said that we Chi Dian Bun Kung Fu can fight all types of Chinese Martial Arts except Ngo Cho Kun cause our chi dian bun cannot meet to equal the force of Ngo Cho Kun's fists.

My Instructor also believe that Ngo Cho Kun is the only KungFu that can defeat the Southern Eagle Claw KungFu.

He teach us everything about kungfu but not the fists of NgoChoKun and Southern Eagle Claw KungFu.....

Maybe, the only kungfu who can defeat NgoChoKun by 50% is Tai Chi Chuan.....

but it all depends upon the person on how he practice his art..... i talk about only style versus style....

Tai Chi, uhm, that`s interesting? come to think of it, I have never yet spar with a Tai Chi fighter.