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    I totally agree with this guy.

    THE ORIGINS OF ESCRIMA by Dr. Ned Nepangue


    Note: This article was submitted by Narciso "Hansy" L. Alojado to FMA Circle and appears herein toto.

    The Origins of Eskrima By: Dr. Ned Nepangue
    We can only make a guess as to the origin of eskrima/arnis/estocada since there are no conclusive written records available in the archives to assist us in our research (that is, if we are really serious about this). Earlier writings did mentioned in passing, something regarding pre-Hispanic martial arts in the islands. But we should remember this, that the earliest Europeans who visited the islands did not know the native languages, were not familiar about the native culture at the time, were ethno-centrists, and were in the Orient primarily to look for spices and not to do research on martial arts. Nobody can really say what kind of martial art these early travelers saw (if that was truly a martial art) when they first came that summer. We cannot even say that it was kali they saw, since they were not familiar about martial arts (like Draeger, Smith or Wiley). Let us also take note that during those times there was no unified form of government and people were not hooked in the Internet. People in the archipelago then (and this is still true until today) speak many languages, thus what was true in the island of Panay then, was not necessarily true in the nearby islands of Cebu or Samar. Forcing ourselves to believe that eskrima/arnis/estocada is something pre-Hispanic even without enough proof to support the theory is not advisable.
    We only have the following objective facts to help us prove or disprove the current theory of the origin of the eskrima or arnis.

    Fact #1 No written records available, which describes what this allegedly pre-Hispanic martial art of kali really was and there is no evidence to prove that eskrima/arnis/estocada martial arts are related to the art of kali.
    Earlier writings mentioned how good those early natives were in hand-to-hand combat. These early European adventurers were maybe accurate in their appraisals since they were soldiers/fighters themselves and knew what was good form and what was not. But still the same, these available literatures do not give us details as to what kali really was. So kali can be everything, it can be stone throwing, wild boar hunting, yo-yo playing etc.

    Fact #2 Research found out that the natives in the islands before the Europeans came used shields and spears, weapons that are no longer visible in the majority of the contemporary eskrima/arnis/estocada schools.
    If it is true that kali is the martial art practice by the ancient warriors in the islands then it must have included the use of the tameng or shield and the bangkaw spear. Since the art of eskrima/arnis is derived from kali as some suggested then it must have these weapons included in the curriculum. Tameng is still useful even in the modern times; in fact riot police are still using this contraption to control angry crowds. Spears on the other hand are still found in many other martial arts.

    Fact #3 The claims that historical personalities like Lapulapu, Tupas and others were really into kali or eskrima remained unproven.
    Some so-called authorities of FMA always associate names like that of Lapulapu to eskrima, as if they were around already in 1500s.
    The funny fact is they could not even provide name(s) of who's who in the latter years (in the 1600s, 1700, 1800s) to strengthen their claims. How one could claim he is the great-great grandson of the great Mr. So-and-so if he does not even know who his biological father is?

    Fact #4 All eskrima/arnis share more common traits than differences.
    The Filipino stick fighting in many ways is really different compared to other stick fighting systems in the region. The eskrima styles as practiced by many Ilocanos in the far north of the archipelago are basically familiar to the styles found in the south, in the Visayas. There maybe differences in some expressions but generally speaking they are the same.

    Fact #5 Practically all eskrima systems/styles are practiced only in the Christianized groups (or those who are under the direct influence of the Spanish conquistadors for 333 years), and that no known eskrima system/style is found among those peoples in the hinterlands of Luzon, among the Lumad and the Muslims in Mindanao.
    The Spanish colonized the islands for 333 years, but they were not able to convert the entire population to the Christian faith. There were many ethnic groups left who were not directly controlled and influenced by them. Many of these groups are slowly assimilated still retain many of their pre-Hispanic practices. But if the theory is true that eskrima and the like is something originally pre-Hispanic, then at least one of these many tribal groups could show us sampling of a functional eskrima-like stick fighting art, but there is none.

    Fact #6 A link between kali and silat styles is yet to be proven, both are really different in form and substance.
    Many creative eskrimadors want to have this "Moro motif" integrated to their styles. In actuality eskrima/arnis has nothing to do with the Muslims groups in the south who have their own very beautiful and lethal martial art of silat. Many people foolishly attempted to establish link between the two, but until now they could not provide us enough evidence. In books and articles on eskrima they always include stories about juramentado just to add dramatic effect, but in reality all of these, has nothing to do with eskrima/arnis. Some insist that some of these Muslim tribes do practice some form of kali art. But if we inquire what tribe is that, they could not readily give answer.
    Some say it is in Sulu, but if we ask further which part of Sulu? Again there is no clear answer. Since the 70s when this claim first appeared, and until now nobody can really give the correct answer. Why? Well, the truth of the matter is, there is no kali in the Moroland.
    Just a pure fantasy. Is it possible to invent stories and fool the martial arts community? You bet! If you are familiar with the story of the Neolithic they reportedly found in Mindanao called Tasaday, you will easily understand how/why. In eskrima/arnis, emphasis is on weaponry first then unarmed fighting later, but in silat they have the weapons training only later.

    Fact #7 About 65% of technical terms used in all eskrima/arnis/estocada developed and propagated by many linguistically diverse ethnic groups are of Spanish origin.
    The Spanish language was never totally adapted by the Filipinos unlike those in other former colonies of the North and South America.
    This was because the colonial authorities in the Philippines did not encourage the natives to learn the language. For three centuries, only the elite and the educated could speak and write the Spanish language. A strange fact is, a great percentage of technical terms used in eskrima/arnis/estocada (and even the supposedly pre-Hispanic kali styles) are in Spanish, the language most Filipinos then (and now) did not speak. This is also the language used by the authorities who outlawed the practice and propagation of this native martial art. If the practitioners at that time were forced to practice in hiding, then why did they not use their own respective languages and dialects instead of using Spanish?

    Fact # 8The connection between kali and Indonesian martial art of tjakalele is not yet proven.
    Tjakalele is practically just a war dance originated in the Mollucas. It uses spears and shields, the weapons, which are not found in 99% of kali schools. Words like kali and tjakalele may sound familiar and related but this not proves anything that both are actually related.

    Fact #9 The suggestion that kali is the root word of some words found in different Filipino languages and dialects is not based on linguistics, in fact a study on this claim is yet to be made.
    Important pre-Hispanic household words like diwata, Bathala, datu, ulipon are still understood by many and this same is also true with words associated with the warriors, like bangkaw, baraw, tameng. So what is supposed to be the ancient name for the Filipino martial art? Kali? If it is kali then, why don't we find this word in dictionaries of the different Filipino languages and dialects? In fact this particular word was just "re-introduced" years ago. Kali is never a traditional name for the native martial art. If one goes to a secluded place in Cebu for example and ask those eskrima old-timers there if they know what is kali, the will probably say they don't know. And these people are supposed to know better.

    Fact #10 The earliest technical description about eskrima/arnis was available only lately.
    The very first known book available in public was Yambao's book in 1957.

    Fact #11 Many modalities in eskrima/arnis/estocada like espada y daga are also found in European fencing arts.

    Fact #12The once Spanish colony of Venezuela in far away South America also have their own form of stick fighting.
    The Garrote Larense stick fighting art of Venezuela reminds one of eskrima. There must be a connection between these two martial arts somewhere and further research is needed.

    Fact #13 It is baseless to say that eskrima or arnis are just phases of the natural evolution of kali, that is kali being the original form, eskrima and arnis the modern and diluted equivalents.
    Kali that we can see today don't differ from eskrima/arnis. Some say that kali is on blades while eskrima/arnis more on sticks implying that kali is more combative, realistic and original form while eskrima/arnis as sanitized intended for sports. But in places where the word kali is not the traditional term used, the eskrima/arnis also included the practice of the bladed weapons. In fact many of those who categorize their styles as kali were actually derived from escrima/arnis styles.

    Fact #14 There is no lack of good blacksmiths and is not the reason why many eskrima/arnis fighters use sticks now instead of real blades.
    Many good eskrimadors are not found in areas known for their machete making skills. Many panday or sword smiths do not know eskrima and it is never mentioned in the Philippine history that Philippines were running out of bolos.

    Fact #15 That the theory proposed is actually not corroborated in the works of the experts of the Philippine history, anthropology and sociology.
    Intertribal war was a reality especially before the islands became a colony of Spain. When there is war, there are warriors, weapons and military arts. If kali was a military art then history books in high school and college must mention it. I do not remember reading a word kali in our history books when I was still in high school and college, instead in our world history I read words like samurai, katana etc.
    Books of anthropology must also provide details about it. It is not mentioned, not because historians are not interested, it is simply because there is no sufficient information about it.
    So basing on the aforementioned facts, we can only offer logical comments as to the possible origin of the contemporary Filipino Martial Arts (a bigger portion of which is the eskrima/arnis/estocada/kali). It is basically a product of Filipino creativity and no doubt whatsoever, it is very Filipino. The bulk of its repertoire was developed during Spanish colonial times, and plausibly it got its inspiration from European fencing concepts and practices. It was greatly developed and refined (and the evolution still continues) only here in the islands of the Philippines.

    Article taken from: http://fmacircle.ph.tc/

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    Any comments? I guess you can't really argue with facts.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by bahotae View Post
      The bulk of its repertoire was developed during Spanish colonial times, and plausibly it got its inspiration from European fencing concepts and practices. It was greatly developed and refined (and the evolution still continues) only here in the islands of the Philippines.

      Article taken from: http://fmacircle.ph.tc/
      This part I disagree with.

      FMA is evolving outside of the Philippines as well.

      One must take the premise that Cebuan based martial arts is SOLELY what FMA is.

      If you believe Filipino warrior methods represents what the FMA is then it goes beyond the premise of the Dr's. After all, Filipinos had bladed weapons of exotic and unique designs prior to and during the Spanish occupation. The Spanish themselves catalogued and described these weapons in detail. Some were displayed in their museums.

      As practioners of the sword arts, we all know that the design of the blade tells us about the specifications and flavor of the person wielding the weapon. Therefore, since Filipino Indigenous weapons do not look like 'fencing' style Spanish weapons at all, it counters the presumption that Filipinos had no flavor to their sword fighting.

      I do not disagree with the Dr's. semantic debates concerning the word 'kali'.
      However, I would also add that the curriculum of the Cebuan instructors are not predominantly Spanish flavored, there is a lot of Chinese, Indonesian and even Japanese arts represented in the way the systems are structured.

      The Spanish did not have sole claim to dissecting the angles of attack. Plus, there is ample evidence that some FMA masters have even fused arts like JJ or Karate into their teaching curriculum. Another important factor is that Spanish arts are not known for their preset forms but many Arnis/Eskrima/Kali schools do which again conveys Chinese, Indonesian and Japanese methods of teaching martial arts.

      One just has to watch FMA masters move and you will note Chinese and Indigenous tribal movements as much as Spanish fencing methods.

      Another important factor is the hands on experience of the individual FMA instructors of the past. Much of their most important teachings is based on what they have seen and encountered in dangerous streets. Lessons from tough streets. Anecdotes of real life ambushes, assaults and street thug mentality.

      True lessons that a fencing hall or sword manual could never hope to equal.

      --Rafael--
      Sayoc Kali

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      • #4
        As always Rafael, very good post. I always enjoy reading your post on the FMA.

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        • #5
          Thanks, Rafael for your great input as always.

          Rafael:

          If possible

          I was interested in how the term Kali came into use. Are there any influences from India that you detected in your research?

          Sincerely
          George

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          • #6
            Thanks Tim and George.

            The problem isn't whether or not an 'ancient fighting method' ever existed - no one who has done their research disputes this, but the argument is whether or not the term KALI was ever used in the islands PRIOR to its popularity in the States (or around that time).

            The Kali is the MOTHER Art argument well, that's still up to the folks who want to argue such matters. Most don't care to research one way or the other... just argue.

            Now it may be a weird out of the box suggestion, but a Filipino should NOT have to shy away from calling their FMA the 'ancient art of ARNIS or ESKRIMA' either. BOTH terms still refer to the Filipino's ancient fighting methods.

            The Filipino's ANCIENT fighting methods have no UNIFIED name PRIOR to the turn of the century -it NEVER has and NEVER will, so all THREE terms are relatively NEW. The term, KALI is just used more here in the US and like ARNIS /ESKRIMA it refers to the same ANCIENT art.

            The ANCIENT Art is not uniform in any sense of the word because as many will tell you- you won't be able to find ten tatangs from different systems who agree on ONE way to do all things.

            So why begin with the term?

            Now another FMA system who uses KALI may not agree with this premise. They might say that the SPANISH influenced words ARNIS/ESKRIMA dilutes the ANCIENT art. That tends to be divisive.

            Some Filipinos also have this idea that one has to live in the Philippines to be considered FILIPINO, thus when they say KALI isn't Filipino that maybe what they are implying. Even though SOME of the people who teach and use the term KALI are Filipinos who live in the US. Even though some of these Filipinos were born in the islands and migrated to the US. That too tends to be divisive.

            Divided... so what else is new?

            During the early seventies there was resurgence of Philippine pride, and the government under Marcos rule stressed the nationalistic pride. That era was also the same era that Filipinos began using 'Kali is the Mother Art' promotion. I still haven't found anything that supports the mention of the term prior to turn of the 1900's. However, I have also mentioned there wasn't ANY term to describe ANY nationalistic martial art.

            Now we can use the word "Barangay" as an example. Many of us here believe that barangay is a term that is Filipino in origin and that tribes used this term to describe their village. It was even a title of a book by William Henry Scott a noted Filipino historian.

            However, the same course was taken by this term that relates to the word 'Kali'.

            The word Barangay was a politically motivated term instituted by the Marcos regime (Presidential Decree No. 705) that was meant to imply that the Philippine Islands as a WHOLE was integrated, or at least shared the same cultural traits BEFORE Spanish arrival. Villages were now instructed to begin using the term, Barangay.

            Here's the problem... Barangay isn't a word used in some of the major tribes' vocabulary. There is NO NATIVE term,"barangay" in Northern Luzon; Ilocano use the word, ili to denote village. In Igorot (Buntoc) it is Ba-barey or Ab-abongan. Even Tagalog uses the term, "nayon" for village.

            Barangay was a Malayo-Polynesian term that meant boats. It symbolized the arrival of the ancient Malays on the islands via boat.

            Yet, today the majority of Filipinos adopt the word instead of the SPANISH based terms (ie: barrio) when they want to relate to the time before the Spanish, or to imply nationalistic terminology.

            In the anthropological study of the hill people in Northern Luzon collected in the book, CORDILLERA: Diversity in Culture Change (where a majority of the info in this post is culled) a very important observation was made:

            "Therefore, it will be more appropriate to say that before the Spanish Era, there were VARIOUS terms to denote local organization in the Philippines and thus, there were VARIOUS types of village organization or local community."

            An apt observation for the whole debate involving the word Kali and how the term has been appropriated into the collective which is the Filipino Martial Arts.

            I'm not a linguist of Northern tribal dialects but the way I see it... tribes do not call their fighting art anything. Tribes describe what we would call their training as "mock fighting" so it is structured (if any structure can be attributed to the learning method) utilizing methods a young boy learns in their rituals.

            For example, tribal men learn rituals for headhunting by mock fighting. They set a time and place and take training VERY seriously. All misfortune to the tribe that is unnatural is somehow linked to headhunting. Whether they practice today or not, the rituals are very important to the society. The taking of an enemy head is called Chita, they have a term for the attempts to kill with a spear Mafofongot. The "Chomallong" is the ritual trip where a husband goes into the forest with two other males and they build a straw man (tribal version of practice dummies/heavy bags/tires).

            The husband then takes a sharpened stick and uses it to attack the straw man and severs the head. All have a secondary purpose, beyond the arts of war. For example this ritual practice (which we could understandably call a training session) links "the decrease of the outer world (the enemy) to the increase of the inner world in general." Women had their own rituals which can be described as being martial arts practice as ritual.. such as piercing a gaba tree with a spear with the goal of knocking it over with one blow. A battle cry of triumph during headhunting is called humipag. The act of running around and attacking people with a spear or sword is called, chumuhig.

            Of interest is the word, UKALI which in Bontok means the customary law of inheritance and adoption. In the unique framework of the Northern tribal system's interpretation of their martial practice, and the system of their warrior rank recognized by the inheritance of ceremonial spears and practical spears, family is defined by these ranking systems and not necessarily through blood relations. One can be adopted into another family. Tribes are broken down as ranks and ranks are recognized by the inherited ceremonial power objects such as weapons and armlets or leglets.

            So it all depends on how our western or 'martial arts' mental framework comprehend how tribal practices differ from how we interpret what FMA is . Indigenous tribes do not call it Arnis or Eskrima either. Nor do they practice or learn the FMA the same way or even in the same context (in general).

            If we believe FMA is something one pay an instructor, club or school for or is astudy like any other MA then the answer is: no there are no words or terms that are NATIVE in origin which relates to FMA.

            "Kali is the Mother Art!"

            According to the Sayocs it was a line that did not originate with them but had heard the line used from a variety of older well known ARNIS instructors that came FROM the Philippines. Some still live there. Some do NOT use the word KALI but did use the "Kali is the Mother Art" perspective. Perhaps some of the Sayocs have used that line before twenty years ago but today the focus is about the future. We try to stay away from this particular fire because there's lots of drybrush around and all it does is burn everyone.

            Therefore, in Sayoc Kali we've pretty much left it open to interpretation since our contention is that the art of SURVIVAL came from the "Blood of the Nation", our ancestors. So no single term is going to encompass the whole thing. We'd change "Sayoc Kali" in a heartbeat if it no longer applied.

            Tuhon Chris Sayoc, Sr. has always stressed that the 'martial arts' envelops everything we do and don't do. It is about survival of any situation. When you drive you are doing Sayoc training, when you speak, when you listen, when you take lessons from others, when you teach.. no matter what you do... think of how it relates to your survival, how it feeds your being. That is the blood of the nation because that is how they survived. It's one lesson that is repeated often in our history.

            It also relates to how the tribes like the Igorots do not have a name of some martial art, all part of survival and living.. it's what they do. Speaking for myself, all have a secondary purpose - beyond the arts of war.


            --Rafael--
            Sayoc Kali

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            • #7
              Rafael:

              Thanks again for taking the time to answer. Alot of info to think on.

              George

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              • #8
                Hi Rafael,

                Very well thought out and presented.

                I tend to stay out of the Kali/Arnis/Eskrima debates...that doesn't mean haven't joined in the fray from time to time (as you know). But I agree that focusing and fighting about terms is divisive and tends to go no where. What counts is that you attempt to understand and study the available history yourself, and focus on being the best you can be in what ever system you train in. I think we can all agree that dedicated, realistic, no nonsense training is what is really important.


                Best regards,
                William
                Last edited by William; 09-14-2006, 08:01 AM. Reason: spelling

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                • #9
                  Just an FYI here.. There are a lot of Stick groups in the Philippines... There is the Kali Illustrisimo,Balintawak Arnis,Lightning Scientific Arnis,Modern Arnis,Pekiti-Tirsia,abaniko Arnis and a lot more..forgot to state escrima.... These Groups I believe evolved in one basic stick movement but they all dislike each other.... The other group believes that their way is better than the other...

                  According to the a 10th degree master I spoke with he said that Pekiti-Tirsia is good with Knives but not that good with sticks...Lightning Scientific Arnis is good on both...He didnt like modern arnis that much..had no coment on Escrima...

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                  • #10
                    Any word/term/hype that will bring in the students is good. Anyway, the student will know in no time. The works is more important than the words.

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                    • #11
                      I agree that Filipino stick fighting is evolving thoughout the world not only in the Philippines. But saying that the name does not matter is like saying that a Ferrari and a Neon does not matter, its all the same, since their both cars.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by bahotae View Post
                        I agree that Filipino stick fighting is evolving thoughout the world not only in the Philippines. But saying that the name does not matter is like saying that a Ferrari and a Neon does not matter, its all the same, since their both cars.
                        The name does matter... but it seems that FMAers are not yet that ready to discuss the "correctness" of names/terms used by each other without raising some ire from everyone.
                        If you can only find someone to discuss this with who is not too zealous to defend his "ancestry" by attacking anyone who differs with his story... then, well and good. Until then...

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                        • #13
                          There is no doubt in the effectiveness of FMA, no matter what name and style. Its just wrong to make fairytales about it and make everyone believe it as fact.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by bahotae View Post
                            There is no doubt in the effectiveness of FMA, no matter what name and style. Its just wrong to make fairytales about it and make everyone believe it as fact.
                            Very few people will disagree with this statement.

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                            • #15
                              some people, mostly non-filipinos, will say the name doesnt matter, i dont care what to call it as long as it works, or they will make up all kinds of things because they want to prove there case.

                              my thing is, the name is very important because it means the person giving the history is a truthful person. if you are confident in your skill and your new style (if you made up the style), then let people question you and laugh at you, they will have to prove that your art is no good. but to lie, and say this is the art that was passed down to me from many generations (like Paul Vunak saying dumug and kinomutai are authentic arts given only to "4 men"), shows that he is a liar, or his teacher is a liar, or his teacher's teacher is a liar. well, how about this: i made this art, i call it KALI, from the ARNIS AND ESKRIMA i learned from master so and so, master so and so, and master so and so. if you think its crap, come and try me. that is how you build the name of fighting arts, not arguing about it on the computer like women.

                              now when we are talking about the FILIPINO fighting arts, you will have to be the kind of person who can back up what you say. filipinos have very corny names for there martial arts styles. how about kyo sho arnis-karate, or the MKA tigers (Dau), or the combat arnis-aikido club, or comJUka (even arJUken). how about 'gatdula's fighting eskrima' (my school)? but you cannot go to anyone of those masters to talk about the name they chose, and expect to be able to brag about it. i have heard people say Lito Lanada's kuntaw is not "real" kuntaw, they say that nap fernandez's yaw yan is a copy of muay thai. so what? these are masters who can back up there arts, whatever they want to call it, and you wont dare say those things to their face. and thats what is in the name for the filipino martial arts, not drawing long history to make your art sound "authentic"... the masters cared more about his reputation and his students reputation because of the skill they had, not what people think of his name or history. and the student will proudly wear that name. what is the filipino way? well, its not list your resume everytime you open your mouth (like, punong guro ___ ____, certified by master ____ ___ (R) ). even the great bruce lee, who named one method after himself (no leaning on his masters reputation) and the other after a very sissy-looking form, jeet kune. he had no need to hide in the shadow of his teachers, his skill speaks for himself. he did not say "straight from the shaolin temple", or call his art "chuan fa", wu su, or not even an old name for credibility. when you can fight, you call it what you want. but around FMA people, you better back it up.

                              there is a saying, that the less you can do, the more you need to act like you know a lot. many seminar masters like to list long resumes. real fighters will tell you about the 2-3 styles they know (lots of times, its only one) becuase theres no need to impress website readers. and those fighters, can call there art anyting they want.

                              my new art: cherry-girl kuntaw!

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