Who has seen a real Knife fight..no bull!

[Uke]

well limbas...i guess i was almost there..beleive me man...i really felt inadequate...but you are entitled with your opinion....i am am not here to lambast the Korean arts..they are good and i beleive that the practitioner also matters..but i did not say i know the art in it's entirety..it just so happened that the knife defenses that i was aware of did not have room in this situation..that's all..and i am merely asking for experiences..well anyway..i want to extend the invitation to anyone who wants to join the Houston Stick Fighting Association..and Danny...you Rock bro...

I can believe it. The blade is a big part of the Filipino culture. If I were to believe that someone saw two skilled men going at it for real with blades, it would be there. I wouldn't believe it if you said it happened any other place though. Anything is possible though however improbable.

[johnj]

do you suppose a majority of these gang members would leave the average guy alone as long as he wasnt looking for trouble?

I think it depends on the gang. My friends from Taiwan, twin brothers who had experience in streetfights and martial arts had a run in with some members of the Ghost Shadows. Fortunately it was intervened by police before any serious injuries. And this started all because they walked into an apparent hangout in Chinatown. I was told that if any of these members look at you as you walk by to immediately look away. If you look back, it is accepting a challenge. This happened twice just walking around Chinatown. My same friends pointed it out and luckily we avoided trouble. On the same day, we happened to stop in a local amusement center and as we entered, we seemed to stir up something cause a few females who were with a group walked out and more males walked in. Needless to say, we left in a hurry. I guess they thought we were another Asian gang :lol:

Where they stabbed in the back? That's not a knife fight, that's an assassination . . . .

All 3 were stabbed in the kidney area. And in the same manner...stabbed and pulled up. I was only a few feet away as the 3 were laying on benches and the floor waiting for the EMT. As you can imagine, most of the party goers were detained for questioning. We heard from the grapvine that had KP not been there, they would have started with us. At the time, we were mostly a Filipino DJ crew.

[lionleo]

Bull, your stories stink! You just made them up, you didn't froze nor run... you passed out! Don't thrash the korean MA for your own incompetence.

well limbas...i guess i was almost there..beleive me man...i really felt inadequate...but you are entitled with your opinion....i am am not here to lambast the Korean arts..they are good and i beleive that the practitioner also matters..but i did not say i know the art in it's entirety..it just so happened that the knife defenses that i was aware of did not have room in this situation..that's all..and i am merely asking for experiences..well anyway..i want to extend the invitation to anyone who wants to join the Houston Stick Fighting Association..and Danny...you Rock bro...

[Uke]

I've trained in Pekiti Tirsia, and a bit of fencing, does that count for something? I'm just saying coming out of a real situation where knives are involve unscathed is still more of a crap shoot than anybody really wants to admit. I haven't concluded anything other than that knife work is serious business.

One thing FMAs do have that is head and shoulders above the rest is their training methodology. It would be interesting to see how other arts would fare after actually training their material in a fashion similiar to what FMAs.

I agree, medic06. FMA does not make you into a super fighter. Some schools of FMA aren't even that heavily geared towards fighting, and prefer to focus on culture and form. Then there are other styles that only focus on the combat quality of the arts.

I've seen some FMA's that were stylish and seemed more like a dance. And then I've seen some that are very intense and economize motion and are hardcore combatives. I hope that no one here is under the impression that all FMA are top notch and cutting edge(no pun intended).

Most people here haven't seen knife fights for a reason: They don't last long if either guy knows what he's doing. Fights are not like what people see in the movies. Edge weapon fights only last long if one person is running.

But all in all medic06 made a strong argument. Any time you put yourself in harm's way its a crap shoot, not just with weapons. But in all honesty there are schools that produce better fighters than others. If you tend to try and reproduce classical movements from your art in their entirety then you are an artists. If you tend to use the concepts from your art to create a direct method and don't cling to any set pattern but learn to flow, you've become a fighter. Its art vs guerrilla tactics.

If you've ever seen a man use guerrilla tactics while wielding a blade, I will bet the fight didn't last even 10 seconds. No man that I know who's ever trained in combatives pulls his blade unless he's going to use it. And once he does, unless you're as good, either it lights out or track meet time.

[medic06]

I have not seen "knife to knife" engagements as those are rare unless of course you are in prison where shank encounters are common. However, I have witnessed a few gang stabbings many years ago (as in over 20 years). They all took place at asian gatherings because back then Filipino, Chinese, Korean and Vietnamese gangs hated each other.

To cut it short, at one party my friends and I were dj's, a fight broke out between KP(Korean Power) and the infamous Ghost Shadows. Needless to say, 3 KP were stabbed all in the same place, kidney. This all happened within 10 feet. I didn't even see the knife come out cause of the mayhem, I just saw the blood all ove the floor. Plus, we were busy pulling back equipment and creating distance.

In another instance between a Filipino and Vietnamese crew, the Filipinos stabbed a guy in the face with a filed down set of keys and threw him down the stairs. These guys asked my friends and I to back them up and luckily we didn't. As we left the party there were somewhere between 30-40 Vietnamese looking for more trouble. Thank goodness we were not mistakenly identified as accomplices, so to speak.

Where they stabbed in the back? That's not a knife fight, that's an assassination . . . .

[medic06]

ease up there medic, I dont think you read the title of this thread correctly.

You said you have done "a little sparring" with FMA practitioners and this is
what you are basing your conclusions from?

My suggestion is maybe to get a more than a little sparring in before you start carving things in stone.

I've trained in Pekiti Tirsia, and a bit of fencing, does that count for something? I'm just saying coming out of a real situation where knives are involve unscathed is still more of a crap shoot than anybody really wants to admit. I haven't concluded anything other than that knife work is serious business.

One thing FMAs do have that is head and shoulders above the rest is their training methodology. It would be interesting to see how other arts would fare after actually training their material in a fashion similiar to what FMAs.

[DickHardman]

I have not seen "knife to knife" engagements as those are rare unless of course you are in prison where shank encounters are common. However, I have witnessed a few gang stabbings many years ago (as in over 20 years). They all took place at asian gatherings because back then Filipino, Chinese, Korean and Vietnamese gangs hated each other.

To cut it short, at one party my friends and I were dj's, a fight broke out between KP(Korean Power) and the infamous Ghost Shadows. Needless to say, 3 KP were stabbed all in the same place, kidney. This all happened within 10 feet. I didn't even see the knife come out cause of the mayhem, I just saw the blood all ove the floor. Plus, we were busy pulling back equipment and creating distance.

In another instance between a Filipino and Vietnamese crew, the Filipinos stabbed a guy in the face with a filed down set of keys and threw him down the stairs. These guys asked my friends and I to back them up and luckily we didn't. As we left the party there were somewhere between 30-40 Vietnamese looking for more trouble. Thank goodness we were not mistakenly identified as accomplices, so to speak.

do you suppose a majority of these gang members would leave the average guy alone as long as he wasnt looking for trouble?

[bigboywasim]

FMA is about as real as it gets. You don't believe me check this out.

http://www.dogbrothers.com/

[johnj]

I have not seen "knife to knife" engagements as those are rare unless of course you are in prison where shank encounters are common. However, I have witnessed a few gang stabbings many years ago (as in over 20 years). They all took place at asian gatherings because back then Filipino, Chinese, Korean and Vietnamese gangs hated each other.

To cut it short, at one party my friends and I were dj's, a fight broke out between KP(Korean Power) and the infamous Ghost Shadows. Needless to say, 3 KP were stabbed all in the same place, kidney. This all happened within 10 feet. I didn't even see the knife come out cause of the mayhem, I just saw the blood all ove the floor. Plus, we were busy pulling back equipment and creating distance.

In another instance between a Filipino and Vietnamese crew, the Filipinos stabbed a guy in the face with a filed down set of keys and threw him down the stairs. These guys asked my friends and I to back them up and luckily we didn't. As we left the party there were somewhere between 30-40 Vietnamese looking for more trouble. Thank goodness we were not mistakenly identified as accomplices, so to speak.

[Go Jun Long]

I have spent over 18years in the Korean arts in the past and have been with the FMA for over 22years now along with my Chinese arts. The FMA, especially when it comes to weapons, are far superior IMO than the other 2. Even the empty hands are rivaled by the FMA. The Korean arts are good at what they do, and the realative effectivness of their fighting is hugely dependant on who is teaching and how the student is training. But, lets not start trashing other systems, because it is true that it comes more down to the practicioner, then the art itself with keeping in mind that every art has its inherent weaknesses!

[GonzoStyles]

and how about the classic "X-block" taught as knife defense in Korean arts versus the "Livehand" strikes from FMA?

[GonzoStyles]

ease up there medic, I dont think you read the title of this thread correctly.

You said you have done "a little sparring" with FMA practitioners and this is
what you are basing your conclusions from?

My suggestion is maybe to get a more than a little sparring in before you start carving things in stone.

[medic06]

Just cut the crap and call this thread for what it is. It's not "Who has seen a real Knife fight..no bull!" but rather "Korean MA suck and I'm angry that I got suckered into training . . ."

I've done a little sparring (I suppose you could call it sparring) with FMA practioners and it was a little suprising for everyone envolved. I won as much as I lost, and the FMA guys found out that their stuff really didn't give them as much advantage as they thought it would. It turns out that speed and fast reflexes counted for more than their techniques they trained.

In the end, it still the artist, not the art. . . . .

[danjuandesiga]

This was posted by Tim Mousel over 1.5 years ago["MSDA student knife fight..." thread] here also and it relates here in this thread as well. It was a personal experience.

Click HERE to read the blog.

I really did try to run first chance I had, but unfortunately, I had to slice my way through. I would have been as happy as Leo for running to survive.

P.S. If you're offended by profanity, don't read it.

[Garland]

Ok...I've posted this before...and it's really stupid, but I might as well post the story here since it's relevant (kinda).

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/showpost.php?p=191978&postcount=6