Silat Demo video

[Tant01]

One touch KO?

yeah, ya gotta get to know the big shots you share geography with There is a HUGE underground of Silat here...Mr Clear AND Uncle Bill both spend a fair amount of time in town and both also have a rather large number of senior students in the area ....

So Boarspear... What say you about his so called "ONE TOUCH KNOCKOUT" TM.?

I mean pistol whiping a guy is one thing but doing it with your finger is something else? Help me out here. I'm skeptical of "no touch" KO but one touch? I'm thinking some advanced chi displacing "magic"...

What's the poop on the trademarked technique?

[BoarSpear]

So Boarspear... What say you about his so called "ONE TOUCH KNOCKOUT" TM.?

I mean pistol whiping a guy is one thing but doing it with your finger is something else? Help me out here. I'm skeptical of "no touch" KO but one touch? I'm thinking some advanced chi displacing "magic"...

What's the poop on the trademarked technique?

POOP There are definatly ways to generate power and points that do not react well to that power being unloaded upon them...of that i am certain...I have used gb-20 strikes in "real" fights with great results...people drop like a ragdoll but regain composure in 3 seconds or less depending on the person...i dont consider them ko's as much as instant short circuits of the nervous system...sometimes the person is awake but thier body wont respond for a second or 2.

no touch ko is a combination of student believing in teacher (and style) and some sort of self hypnosis in my experience...I believe in disruptions which are the result of just missing a strike to a vital and the person seems to react slower than they should for a split second which gives you time to land the next shot...its more a subliminal gesture (SG) than anything else...i somehow suspect this is gonna either turn into a flame war now or a "WTF are SG's" thread .... But the no touch ko's are BULLSHIT, i have asked for a privare audience or to have it done to me....no takers Thats how i know Mr Clear left Tampa...I was rather eeerrrr interested in getting together...LOL.

I have yet to meet a senior student who would admit to knowing this, and quite a few who seem embarrassed when i ask about this....Savelli's people dont like talking about the goat either...LOL...

[Tant01]

"paranormal" Good enough.

I see, thanks...

I've made the offer of the "James Randi" challenge to a couple guys...

Same results... no takers.

[BoarSpear]

Yeah nothings sadder than the fact that these guys are MORE vulnerable after training!! I was doing a SG seminar in Santa Fe N.M about 8 yrs ago or so, i was demonstrating a sg on a guy standing in striking range, when i did the sg this guys wife who was watching from 8 feet away and to the side just drops ...she said the she heard bells or chimes and the world went white freaks man i tell ya ....its all how people are wired, the more you believe in "magic" the more likely you are to feel its effects

[Tant01]

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How funny...

I saw stars once but it wasn't SG... it was a brick.

[Tant01]

Lost it? See ".................How..." post

[Tom Yum]

I was wondering if this was someone you knew Boar. Does anyone know how Chinese arts came to be mixed with an Inonesian style?

Mostly from South Chinese immigrants who travelled to Indonesia.

The cultural exchange created them - a good example in the Pukulan Tjimande style. You can see the Chinese influence in the style's infighting techniques, whereas the forms, long-distance fighting and blade work is probably purely Indonesian.

This is from my personal observation as an American.

[Sabin]

the fighting part is easy....the cavemen did it first....its to make asskicking look beautiful that is hard....

I have a small problem with the whole idea of making asskicking look beautiful, both in a self-defense sense and a moral sense. The infliction of violence on another human being is generally a vulgar and ugly thing, and should be treated as such.

I do understand how an honorable match between two skilled fighters who respect eachother (and who aren't looking to kill or maim their opponent) can be considered beautiful in a martial arts sense. But I dislike the idea of certain arts (TKD is guilty of this at times I believe) trying to make the use of violence in a self-defense situation seem like a beautiful act. Seems like it would be better for students to learn to understand violence as the ugly thing it is. This would, firstly, make them less eager to employ violence, and secondly, make them more capable of using violence effectively if forced to.

As to the video...I have to say I was highly impressed by the instructor's hand speed. But I would have liked to have seen what his sparring sessions were like, to see if there was any "aliveness" in his training. In my view, choreographed routines and point sparring just cannot build a fighter the same way "alive" training can.

Obviously, you can't do full-contact training every day, and when you do, you can't include things like biting or eye-gouging, but I don't think that's a good excuse to remove it from training entirely.

Let me know what you think.

[jeff5]

i was demonstrating a sg on a guy standing in striking range, when i did the sg this guys wife who was watching from 8 feet away and to the side just drops ...she said the she heard bells or chimes and the world went white

Boarspear your being modest, I bet thats just the effect you have on women.

[gregimotis]

I was doing a SG seminar in Santa Fe N.M about 8 yrs ago or so, i was demonstrating a sg on a guy standing in striking range, when i did the sg this guys wife who was watching from 8 feet away and to the side just drops ...she said the she heard bells or chimes and the world went white freaks man i tell ya ....its all how people are wired, the more you believe in "magic" the more likely you are to feel its effects

Sounds like my Santa Fe

[Tant01]

Sanguinary beauty...

I have a small problem with the whole idea of making asskicking look beautiful, both in a self-defense sense and a moral sense. The infliction of violence on another human being is generally a vulgar and ugly thing, and should be treated as such.

I do understand how an honorable match between two skilled fighters who respect eachother (and who aren't looking to kill or maim their opponent) can be considered beautiful in a martial arts sense. But I dislike the idea of certain arts (TKD is guilty of this at times I believe) trying to make the use of violence in a self-defense situation seem like a beautiful act. Seems like it would be better for students to learn to understand violence as the ugly thing it is. This would, firstly, make them less eager to employ violence, and secondly, make them more capable of using violence effectively if forced to.

As to the video...I have to say I was highly impressed by the instructor's hand speed. But I would have liked to have seen what his sparring sessions were like, to see if there was any "aliveness" in his training. In my view, choreographed routines and point sparring just cannot build a fighter the same way "alive" training can.

Obviously, you can't do full-contact training every day, and when you do, you can't include things like biting or eye-gouging, but I don't think that's a good excuse to remove it from training entirely.

Let me know what you think.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder...

In other words you're right. Fighting or killing is a detestable thing but if the artist is skilled the beauty is you don't really need to kill or maim.
Looking "good" kicking ass is just that... you defeat the attack without killing. You make it look EASY, gracefull and ecenomical in the chaos of conflict.

A cut to the back hand or thumb is "pretty" if it disarms a weapon in the hand of your attacker.... He lives and gets a cool scar. You didn't open his abdomin and spill guts everywhere... But you could have? ...pretty sweet if you ask me.

[BoarSpear]

Sounds like my Santa Fe

spoken like someone who has a secret underground lair in N.M.... When you gonna send me some hatch green chili? I miss the green chili (and the Atomic Cafe....and Horsemans Haven....hottest chili on the planet) The freakin jalapeno peppers aint even hot in FL

[BoarSpear]

Which explains why all of the National Geographic debunkers looked at Dillman and his people like they had dicks growing out of their foreheads when they tried the "one touch knockouts" on them. That show was hilarious! Dillman actually use the excuse that "maybe the guy's tongue was in a different position in his mouth and that's why it didn't work." I swear! Would I make this stuff up?

Yeah, tell me about it, he also uses the "toe held up" nullification excuse ....I have always wondered just how bad a couple of solid punches landed upside his head would nullify his no touch ko capabilities
C'mon man if where someones tongue is influences the outcome of a fight...

WTF kind of DORK practices something that is defended by moving the tongue around inside your mouth?? I have a list of "nullifications" from a George Dillman/ Rick Moneymaker Dimmak seminar...its freakin hysterical...when i get back from the fun i'll find the list and post some of the things people did that they claimed were "nullifications" meaning it defeated their dimmak attack.....lets just say COLORS of clothing and lengths of sleeves came up...

Oh yeah, hey George Im nullifying your no touch KO....

[jeff5]

We had a news story on a school near Chicago that practices Dillman's stuff. The instructor could reportedly do a "no touch knockout" with his Ki/Chi. He said it was too dangerous to do on the reporter so he tried to do the one touch thing on her and it didn't work. He was like well your too tense. Then he went to a BJJ school to try it on them. And it didn't work. He said that on trained athletes it doesn't work as much. LOL. I was like uhhhh okay..............

[Paco]

Shhheeeet.... If those death touches really worked, why is every other combat athlete and martial artist even bothering with conditioning? I'd love to be able to do that: just think, all the krispy kremes I can eat, no need to quit smoking and still be a "kungfu death machine"! KIIIAAIIII!!!! lol