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**Szczepankiewicz** · 10-24-2003, 09:25 AM

How often does it take the average person to start competing?

From what I've seen a few months in and you can start competing in tournaments. All you have to do is get the annual membership to the local governing body for the tournies.

I understand that it will take time to learn, but is 3 months a realistic goal?

3 months is very realistic for competing as a white belt in Judo. You may not win it all, but it's a good experience. Judo is not like MMA where you can get seriously hurt if you're unprepared. Worst case scenario, you get thrown on your butt a lot.

From the Judo comps I've seen, ground work is minimized. They like to stand you up quickly if you're not going anywhere.

At the white belt level arm bars are verbotten! Since all you can do is arm bars and chokes in competition, this puts a heavy kink in the BJJ game during Judo.

I've been wanting to compete but chronic injury, lack of time and general lazyness has prevented me thus far.

Good luck and let us know how it goes!

Spanky

**BadgerFu57** · 10-24-2003, 02:29 PM

Tuesday and Thursday is the novice Judo. I think a few weeks in that, then I'll start training the Olympic Judo Monday and Wednesday. I don't know the difference, I'll have to ask the guy, but I am guessing it's a difference of intensity. The Sensei/Coach is Pat Burris a two-time olympian. I think this is the way to go for me as far as martial arts are concerned.

Judo is decent for self-defense, it's competitive, and it's relatively safe and cheap.

Self-defense is NOT one of my concerns for training, however, how easy is it to perform the throws without the gi on in a self-defense situation?

And also, does anyone know any supplemental exercises I could do to benefit my Judo game?

**Apoth** · 10-24-2003, 10:10 PM

I did ju jitsu which, I'm sure you know, has some judo throws. I've found that all of the throws I've learned except 2 can be done with out a Gi on. Admittedly I've never learned any of the really fancy stuff that Judo can have, but I would imagine that alot of it could be done No Gi.

**Kittylitter** · 10-24-2003, 10:24 PM

Pat Burris is a kick ass coach. He will you winning in no time with your background.

Work on your shoulders and back with running.

**Tom Yum** · 10-26-2003, 05:41 PM

Hey kitty litter, where are the good judo schools/clubs in H-town? I only know of one place off of Veterans Mem. that I've heard is quite good.

**Kittylitter** · 10-28-2003, 12:15 AM

Tom Yum,

Check out Diamond Back Judo club. It is around beltway 8 and 249. http://www.diamondbackjudo.com/

There are a mostly blackbelts and some old Olympic team guys who come in every once in awhile to toss people around.

If that is not in your neck of the woods I know a guy who teaches some at Rice university. He is from Brazil and can smoke any body from the states in his wieghtclass. He also very good in BJJ.

**one sword** · 10-28-2003, 01:23 AM

Originally posted by BadgerFu57
Self-defense is NOT one of my concerns for training, however, how easy is it to perform the throws without the gi on in a self-defense situation?

And also, does anyone know any supplemental exercises I could do to benefit my Judo game?

It is pretty easy to do a few of the throws without a gi, but if your assailant isn't a judo-ka(most likely scenario), you are not going to have a very proficient ability in self defence. Try to find some kick boxers to attack you in pads while you try to throw and they resist. It is not likely. Judo might help, but it is as much of a sport as western boxing.

Good excercises for judo:while watching TV, lay down, but hold your head up without support; yoga positions like bridging help develop trunk strength; duck walks(like in Rocky, while he has the log on him and is squatting while walking around) with random jumps from the squat position; any plyometric excercise is good. Look at Indian wrestling excercises and at some stuff Judo Gene Lebell has done....he is the man as far as this subject is concerned.

Hope I helped, good luck in competition.

**BadgerFu57** · 10-28-2003, 09:38 AM

Originally posted by one sword

It is pretty easy to do a few of the throws without a gi, but if your assailant isn't a judo-ka(most likely scenario), you are not going to have a very proficient ability in self defence. Try to find some kick boxers to attack you in pads while you try to throw and they resist. It is not likely. Judo might help, but it is as much of a sport as western boxing.

Good excercises for judo:while watching TV, lay down, but hold your head up without support; yoga positions like bridging help develop trunk strength; duck walks(like in Rocky, while he has the log on him and is squatting while walking around) with random jumps from the squat position; any plyometric excercise is good. Look at Indian wrestling excercises and at some stuff Judo Gene Lebell has done....he is the man as far as this subject is concerned.

Hope I helped, good luck in competition.

I am learning boxing too....

Also, what are the best throws.... or I should say personal favorites. One thing I don't like about throws is that you can roll through and put the other guy in chokes.... Kind of like Helio Gracie vs Kimura sort of thing. Since all I have done is BJJ that was what it was like last night. They would throw me like a ragdoll but I would roll them and choke them.

**BadgerFu57** · 10-28-2003, 09:42 AM

and just before anyone corrects me. Yes I know Kimura beat Helio. But Helio still put up an impressive fight, especially for such a small guy.

**greenthing** · 10-28-2003, 09:34 PM

DUCK WALKS?

Duck walks are so pitifully old fashioned that I am suprised that anybody would say to do them. They are the worst thing you can do to your knees.Almost as bad as sitting on your legs.
And I know that the right Judo coach can teach a begining white belt to beat other black belts in contests in 2 months of practice.
I have seen it done on more than one occasion.

**BadgerFu57** · 10-29-2003, 09:39 AM

Re: DUCK WALKS?

Originally posted by greenthing
Duck walks are so pitifully old fashioned that I am suprised that anybody would say to do them. They are the worst thing you can do to your knees.Almost as bad as sitting on your legs.
And I know that the right Judo coach can teach a begining white belt to beat other black belts in contests in 2 months of practice.
I have seen it done on more than one occasion.

You're serious about the 2 months business!?!?!?!?! Wowzers!

**darrianation** · 10-29-2003, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by one sword

It is pretty easy to do a few of the throws without a gi, but if your assailant isn't a judo-ka(most likely scenario), you are not going to have a very proficient ability in self defence. Try to find some kick boxers to attack you in pads while you try to throw and they resist. It is not likely. Judo might help, but it is as much of a sport as western boxing.

Good excercises for judo:while watching TV, lay down, but hold your head up without support; yoga positions like bridging help develop trunk strength; duck walks(like in Rocky, while he has the log on him and is squatting while walking around) with random jumps from the squat position; any plyometric excercise is good. Look at Indian wrestling excercises and at some stuff Judo Gene Lebell has done....he is the man as far as this subject is concerned.

Hope I helped, good luck in competition.

Judo is an excellent sport so is boxing. Put them together and you are one hell of a bad ass! This would be a perfect combination for self defense other than training strictly reality based street fighting that is. But this way you can compete in sport and defend yourself very well.

**greenthing** · 10-29-2003, 11:09 AM

Re: Re: DUCK WALKS?

Originally posted by BadgerFu57

You're serious about the 2 months business!?!?!?!?! Wowzers!

It wasn't a rare occurance.I saw it many times. In fact the coach John Holm formerly of Minneapolis , now is in the Seattle area, and is still doing it. He has a brand new website at

judochampions.com (I had to go thru Yahoo to find it they havn't got all the bugs out yet.)

But he isn't very well liked except for those that learn Judo from him.Thats a long story .But he's got over 50 years of Judo behind him and he trained over 35 individual first place national and international champions.

As far as learning Judo it's VERY important that you are taught correctly at your first exposure to the sport because it will affect the rest of your playing days. It takes 3000 repititions to learn a sports skill but it takes 10,000 repetitions to UNLEARN a wrongly learned skill!

I hate to say it because these guys will try to ban me but if the Judo school you first visit is all wrapped up in the bowing and Japanese religous overtones my advice is to walk away. You will notice that they also try to teach Judo standing still and probably have No idea of how to teach it.Its called CLASSICAL JUDO and is the reason that the United States is last place in the competitive Judo world.

**Szczepankiewicz** · 10-29-2003, 12:33 PM

I hate to say it because these guys will try to ban me

No one will ban you for what you say.

You will only get banned for how you try to say it.

Perhaps one day this will sink in eh?

Spanky

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