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For those of you who are big sport Judo people, what do you know about Judo in self-defense? Is it effective? If someone was throwing haymakers, could I still utilize Judo?
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You can use your Judo pivots to turn around and run away. Excellent for self-defense. -
Badger,
"sport" Judo can work very well in defending yourself just as the other sports can such as wrestling, boxing, kickboxing, muay thai, jiujitsu, etc.
Ask yourself this: if someone had the ability to slam you on the concrete, land on top of you, and then choke you out, take out your arm, or simply pound you with their fists from that position, wouldn't you think they can hurt you outside the arena?!
This is common sense. Judo is judo. Whether you do it for fun, competition, to get in shape, or whatever, so forget the label "sport" or any other labels.
A throw is a throw. A choke is a choke. An armbar is an armbar. A punch is a punch kick is a kick etc. Your assailant will not know from which system you are delivering your attack-it will hurt all the same.
As far as your example: Yeah, duck and grab the guy. Take him down and out. (You have to duck/block his punch or this won't work
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Judo is very effective on the streetComment
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No, aspects of Judo are useful in self-defense. I would not, however, recommend Judo to someone interested in self-protection.
Anything that is based solely on physical principles is lacking for self-defense. Even then, Judo takes into account only a very small fraction of the physical side of fighting. Try some of those throws without a gi to grab onto--ain't gonna work very well.Comment
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I'm with Ryan on this one.
Judo gives you good mechanics but does not cover a lot of essential 'self-protection'.... or as I like to say 'self-preservation' training.
Sport is sport.
Fighting is fighting.
Survival is in a league all it's own.
Judo is great. My judo instructor stated to our class one day after training ...something like "All you really need is about 6 months striking combined with your judo and you'll have good self-defense skills"
He left out a lot of stuff you have to deal with. There does not exist a perfect system, otherwise we'd all be doing it.
On another occasion a different instructor asked a girl (brown belt) if she felt she could do well against the rest of the class individually. She looked at me, looked past me to survey the rest of the class and replied to the affirmative.
Little did she realize what a deadly ninja Spanky really is...
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Ryannhall,
you are very incorrect. I've used Judo on the street and so have my friends. Read on and learn a little something:
Most judo throws can be done easily without a gi on. What you need to do is move in a little closer and clinch with the person. I like to overhook one arm and underhook the other. From this position, you now have his arms tied up and he cannot punch or elbow you. He is too close to kick you. About all he can do is knee you. If you use the judo principle of Kazushi (off balancing your opponent) by moving in a circular or lateral way, this will help keep him off balance which makes it difficult for him to knee you effectively and it also sets him up for an easy takedown!
Some people prefer double underhooking or one arm around the head. Usually on the street. a guy is gonna be coming towards you and trying to grab or seing on you. This plays right into the Judoka's hands allowing an easier takedown since he has already committed his weight towards you.Comment
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Where did you use this, in high school?... Sounds like it to me.Originally posted by michaelarsanis
Ryannhall,
you are very incorrect. I've used Judo on the street and so have my friends. Read on and learn a little something:
Most judo throws can be done easily without a gi on. What you need to do is move in a little closer and clinch with the person. I like to overhook one arm and underhook the other. From this position, you now have his arms tied up and he cannot punch or elbow you. He is too close to kick you. About all he can do is knee you. If you use the judo principle of Kazushi (off balancing your opponent) by moving in a circular or lateral way, this will help keep him off balance which makes it difficult for him to knee you effectively and it also sets him up for an easy takedown!
Some people prefer double underhooking or one arm around the head. Usually on the street. a guy is gonna be coming towards you and trying to grab or seing on you. This plays right into the Judoka's hands allowing an easier takedown since he has already committed his weight towards you.
I used a sweeping hip throw once and the guy grabbed my neck sending both of us crashing down. I had scatch marks for weeks.
The problem with real fighting, at least the ones I've seen, is that when let someone get in close enough, that could be the end of you... Let me in close enough and I'll rip your eyelids off, hook your nostrils while you try and throw me... I personally witnessed my friend turn into a savage beast once when we got cornered walking home from school in the streets of Milwaukee. He was biting, hair-pulling, ripping ears, etc...Comment
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Oh yes. The Underhook-Overhook, that well known Judo move.Comment
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What's the Japanese name for it?Comment
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Great Sage,
I'm 38 years old and didn't start Judo until well into my 20's. So no, it wasn't high school. I've used it a few times on the street and it worked well (as did other techniques from other arts). Plus, being a paramedic for over 14 years, I've had numerous situations when someone (usually intoxicated) attempted to attack me and I took them down with ease.
As far as you comment regarding ripping people's nostrils and eyes while they try and get a hold of you: I think you are being very narrow minded and foolish not to mention overconfident. A good grappler can be so quick and smooth that its doubtful you will have all this time to apply all those techniques.
A takedown can be nearly as quick as a punch. I would not be standing in front of my opponent motionless so that he can stick his fingers in my nostril etc. Once a good grappler moves in on you and gets a hold of you, its pretty much too late to attempt those techniques. Its especially difficult if YOU are off balance and his head is in your chest or beside your neck and you are fighting to stay on your feet. Let alone if your arms are tied up. Most likely you are going down.
Thai Bri,
as far as your sarcasim regarding overhook/underhook grips. No, judo does not specifically teach those grips-thats something I work on on my own. While sparring, I try to get that grip so that my partner can't get away from me. However, the fact is that when someone attacks you, a competent judoka will simply grab them WHEREVER they can get a hold of. The principles of judo, off balancing, movement, throwing, sweeping, and tripping apply to ANY grip or hold.Comment
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Great Sage,
I looked at your profile and see that you DO train a grappling art-Brazilian Jiujitsu. I'm very surprized. I wonder if you think that it would be easy for you to defeat a black belt in BJJ on the street by simply poking his eyes and ripping his nostrils etc while he is in close to you on the ground?Comment
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Szczepankiewicz,
you said "Judo gives you good mechanics but does not cover a lot of essential 'self-protection'.... or as I like to say 'self-preservation' training."
By this I assume you mean awareness, weapons, multiple opponents etc? If so, then you are correct. However, NO sport art focuses on that. You can however, supplement that to your training on your own. And a lot of it can be had with simple common sense-without any specific training.
One of the "problems" with people who train primarily self defense is that they never really get to try it for real and see if it works. So they look good but can they do it for real? In a sport fighting art, you have a limited amount of techniques, yes, but you become super efficient at them because you train those techniques full speed full contact against someone who is doing the same to you.
I would rather be an expert at a handfull of techniques than to know a hundred mediocrely.Comment
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Originally posted by Great Sage
Let me in close enough and I'll rip your eyelids off, hook your nostrils while you try and throw me...
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inu no etchiOriginally posted by Szczepankiewicz
What's the Japanese name for it?Comment
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