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**nolimitskarate** · 11-28-2003, 08:30 AM

Originally posted by Thai Bri

We teach effective self defence.
OK, not all of it is effective, we like to draw from different styles.
Some of it is effective.
It might be effective.
We don't want self defence anyway.

Then, when the nasty man goes away, the man with all those nasty and inconvenient arguments, you go back to the top "We teach effective self defence".

What a load of crap Thai Bri - What I distinctly said is that there are certain aspects of our training that focus on basics, learning techniques and so on (yes they are great for fitness, yes they are great for mental aspects as well). Then there are the aspects of our training that focus primarily on defense, etc.....

and your only argument seems to be -

Just get in the Thai and BJJ gym and train. You sound l;ike the guy who can "prove" a bee can't fly. But you won't go outside in case you see one.

As I stated before - no Thai Gym around - and I (we) work the other - this is no longer an rational discussion - you have not addressed the issue at hand with anything other than it has to be Thai or BJJ or nothing - sorry, that doesn't cut it.

I clearly stated where I think each aspect fits - and even conceded some of your points - but until you come up with something other than the above comment I see no point in continuing this discussion .............

**Thai Bri** · 11-28-2003, 11:01 AM

There are many effective fighters who havent studied Thai or BJJ. Tell you what, walk into an ordinary Boxing club, and then a Judo club. They are almost everywhere.

Let us all know how you get on. Then stop ripping your students off by charging them good money to give them a false sense of security and a crap system of self defence.

**nolimitskarate** · 11-28-2003, 11:08 AM

You know what Thai Bri - your arguments are so full of crap I can smell it all the way across the pond - Yes we do Kata, and yes we do one and three step sparring - and you know what, we enjoy it.

You can't seem to get past the fact it's possible to train in those areas and still also train in other aspects - BTW - if you were paying attention you would know that I have trained in JUDO and Jiu Jitsu - and I recognize the benefits of each (have stated this multiple times)

Your argument that because one style is good the other is not does not hold water.

No matter how good you are (no matter what style you train in) there is always someone who is going to be better than you - your job in training is to be the best you can be and learn to defend yourself to the best of your abilities. I do this by looking at many different styles and incorporating what I feel are the best training methods from each.

I came to this board to research some other methods of training - closed minded by following the likes of you.

I know - " go find a ** Insert your new preffered style for this argument here ** club and see how you do against them and let us know .......... "

Blah, Blah, Blah

**nolimitskarate** · 11-28-2003, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by Thai Bri
Thai fighters don't bang away all the time with heavy sparring, though they do do it. Their strength comes from realistic techniques trained with power, on bags and pads. They do not wave their arms and legs about in a pre determined robotic dance.

...... hmmm that seems to be a great method of training - working on bags - oh but wait, when I do it it's crap - oh yeah, I do kata so therfore everything I do is crap .....

**Thai Bri** · 11-28-2003, 11:31 AM

"No matter how good you are (no matter what style you train in) there is always someone who is going to be better than you - your job in training is to be the best you can be and learn to defend yourself to the best of your abilities. I do this by looking at many different styles and incorporating what I feel are the best training methods from each."

Yeah. Like Kata, and One step sparring. Its like training runners, and letting them practice by watching the telly. But you occasionally take them out for a short walk, so thats ok.

Fraud.

**nolimitskarate** · 11-28-2003, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by Thai Bri
"No matter how good you are (no matter what style you train in) there is always someone who is going to be better than you - your job in training is to be the best you can be and learn to defend yourself to the best of your abilities. I do this by looking at many different styles and incorporating what I feel are the best training methods from each."

Yeah. Like Kata, and One step sparring. Its like training runners, and letting them practice by watching the telly. But you occasionally take them out for a short walk, so thats ok.

Fraud.

Yeah - like watching the telly, wait - aren't you sitting on your butt watching the telly? Yeah that's a logical analogy ---- mindless prattle ....

**Thai Bri** · 11-28-2003, 11:41 AM

Not much logic there was there? I am sitting in front of a monitor, yes. But I am not pretending to be training at the moment.

**nolimitskarate** · 11-28-2003, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by Thai Bri
Not much logic there was there? I am sitting in front of a monitor, yes. But I am not pretending to be training at the moment.

No, But you implied that sitting in front of the Telly is equivalant to getting off your butt and actually doing something - sorry that doesn't cut it.

Get past the katas - I'll leave it alone if you will - we are not going to agree on this - let's look at some other aspects (see the confidance thread) .... Off to lunch, later .......

**Thai Bri** · 11-28-2003, 12:02 PM

It is just as effective as Katas. I.e. - not effective.

**nolimitskarate** · 11-28-2003, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by Thai Bri
It is just as effective as Katas. I.e. - not effective.

Hmmmmmmmm - still stuck on the Kata thing? Can't think of anything else to harp on? Blah, Blah, Blah........

**Thai Bri** · 11-28-2003, 02:35 PM

I could have sworn that you started the converstion. These childish tactics are still an attempt to stay in your comfort zone.

Come on NLK. Grow.

**nolimitskarate** · 11-28-2003, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by Thai Bri
I could have sworn that you started the converstion. These childish tactics are still an attempt to stay in your comfort zone.

Come on NLK. Grow.

Agreed - and I have proposed several other topics of discussion - (see the confidance thread) - bag training, simulation, sparring - but you seem to only want to harp on the prior - as if the fact that I practice a kata for a set amount of time discounts the others practiced in another time frame.

Pick one of the others and let's move on - I'll drop the Katas if you will ............

**Thai Bri** · 11-28-2003, 02:55 PM

I dropped them long ago. You're the one taking peoples mnoney for teaching them.

Tell you what. Put up signs in your dojo saying "Kata and One Step sparring will NOT help you to defend yourself". Let people know that some of these alternate ways of training are useless for fighting.

Then you can be happy menkin' about like an idiot, and your paying customers will not be being ripped off.

Waddaya say?

**nolimitskarate** · 11-28-2003, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by Thai Bri
I dropped them long ago. You're the one taking peoples mnoney for teaching them.

Tell you what. Put up signs in your dojo saying "Kata and One Step sparring will NOT help you to defend yourself". Let people know that some of these alternate ways of training are useless for fighting.

Then you can be happy menkin' about like an idiot, and your paying customers will not be being ripped off.

Waddaya say?

**Thai Bri** · 11-28-2003, 03:11 PM

Not the most convincing argument.

No change there then.

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