False confidence - do you think this is instilling false confidence?

[Thai Bri]

See how you're learning? Yes. Good intensity. The way you train is the way you react. Prat about posing for 45 minutes will not teach you to go all out when your life depends on it.

Now, as regards the proper techniques. Are you moving with fluidity? Do you have a guard that protects your face? Do you hit on the move? Are you incorporating defensive moves in your bag work? Are you practicing basic, brutal techniques, aimed at the eyes, throat, jaw, groin, knees and shins?

Or are your hands at your hips as you hit the bag at "Jodan" or "Chudan" height with gyaku tsuki and mawahi geri?

[darrianation]

Originally posted by nolimitskarate


You obviously can't get past this ........

Kata or no Kata - it has no bearing on how hard we work the other aspects - You are the one who is not getting it. We practice and we practice hard - and effectively.

Everything we practice servers a purpose - some focus on different areas then others - you won't let the Kata thing go, that's fine some like them some don't - but for me they help me become more focuses, it's a visualization thing (I guess visualizations ok when your shadow boxing - becaus Thai Bri approves of it - but at no other time).

You harp and harp on 2 of many aspects of the training methods I've discussed because you don't like them - but refuse to address the rest .......

Typical.

I just want to add a saying.

"Don't focus on the things I do wrong, because you'll miss all the things I do right"!

[nolimitskarate]

Originally posted by Thai Bri
See how you're learning? Yes. Good intensity. The way you train is the way you react. Prat about posing for 45 minutes will not teach you to go all out when your life depends on it.

Now, as regards the proper techniques. Are you moving with fluidity? Do you have a guard that protects your face? Do you hit on the move? Are you incorporating defensive moves in your bag work? Are you practicing basic, brutal techniques, aimed at the eyes, throat, jaw, groin, knees and shins?

Just trying to find common ground to work from - Yeah - we work with a guard that protects the face (as well as the body) both in bag work and sparring - moving with fluidity - working basics - attacking on the move. Mostly using common blocks for defense (nothing fancy there). Alot of the bag work is derived from a mix of boxing and kickboxing. Attacks at head level are to the nose, jaw or possibly the eyes or throat with a ridge hand or a gouge.

Attacks to the lower body might inlude the knees, top of the thigh, groin, etc.... (personally I like the knee if you need to end it quick).

Lots of combinations - get the defenders defense up, get it down again - one punch on it's own probably won't land - several techniques in a row have a better chance.

Originally posted by Thai Bri

Or are your hands at your hips as you hit the bag at "Jodan" or "Chudan" height with gyaku tsuki and mawahi geri?

We typically work from a guard position (boxing / kickboxing) - unless we're working simulations - then we work from a "natural" position - it's not likely that you'll be standing around in the street with your guard up all the time.

[nolimitskarate]

Originally posted by darrianation


I just want to add a saying.

"Don't focus on the things I do wrong, because you'll miss all the things I do right"!

Good point - howevor I don't feel we've reached agreement on the right or the wrong of those 2 types of training - just trying to find common ground for further discussion - we can always come back to debate the other, but I would like to get useful input on the more modern / less "traditional" training - I feel Thai Bri (and others) have much to offer in this area if we can get past the Kata / One Step argument.

[Thai Bri]

Thats a big "if".

[Maxetai]

Nolimitskarate,
Just ask Thai Bri something specific and to the point and realistic and you will get an answer. Don't try to convince or prove anything to him or to the rest of us. There's no point in that. Most importantly don't seek approval from anyone. Trust yourself, push yourself, keep an open mind, learn and apply what is useful for you. Train hard and efficiently. You know what I mean? Learn to fight from any range with any type of opponent. Invite fighters and practitioners to your school and fight/sparr with them. Talk with them and let them express what works for them and what doesn't. Insist that they apply these concepts in your fighting/sparring encounters with them. Let your students have a go and allow them to experience variety and intensity. Get some good quality protective gear and let it rip! If it's done with "good intentions" then it will be a great eye opener for you, your students, and your "guests".