Karate ain't so bad

[sherwinc]

question:

A basic Shotokan punch starts from the hip, not all styles start their punches from the side of the body, what all do is have a straitline
For instance, Kyokushin fight from a so called "allround gamae" so the hand doesn't reside to the side of the body
In sparring the rearhand resides in front of the solar plexus (most styles do so)
what is true is that the forearm should be parallel to the line the hand travels to the target

a frontfoot roundhousekick isn't that telegraphic, nor a frontfoot front or groinkick

most rearfootkicks are telegraphic, no matter what art or style, you have to move your hips for it ( or have a kick without any power)
but you can actually use the telegraphing to fool someone (outside roundhouse kick, soto mawashi geri)

As for the breathing, do no about you but to my knowledge shouting is exhaling
Plus you can exhale faster through the mouth than through the nose,
Kiai shout be short not like the word itself so not Kiiiaaiii or Tesssaaa
only a single sillable(spelling?) People who use more don't understand why they are using the Kiai

Most sports each to inhale through the nose and exhale through the mouth, karate does the same

Oh and as for shouting decreasing your power, that must be the reason why powerlifters shout then, they want to lift less

Question:
Then why is it that when the topic of Power Punching, why is it that Tai Chi push(a fist is not a fist, whole body is a fist) is the most powerful of all martial arts?

[Thai Bri]

But who says that is true? Beyond you and other blind morons?

[sherwinc]

all of you open your mind plssss........

People do keep saying that Kata is just a "tool". To be honest, I think we can all agree on that. We disagree over how effective the tool is. I say it is worse than ineffective, it is positively harmful to the development of a real fighter.

For how many times do i have to say that the Kata of Karate is useless.... and worst of all is the Kata of Tae Kwon Do is disastrously useless....

only the Kata of KungFu is applicable in a self-offense situation....

Convinced?????????

[Thai Bri]

2 out of 3 aint bad.

[jules]

sherwinc,

Then why is it that when the topic of Power Punching, why is it that Tai Chi push(a fist is not a fist, whole body is a fist) is the most powerful of all martial arts?

do you have any evidence to back up your claims or are you just spitting out what your kung-fu friends told you.

only the Kata of KungFu is applicable in a self-offense situation....

one has to laugh at blind comments as these.

[Toudiyama[NL]]

2 out of 3 aint bad.

now you're being inconcequent, your "arguments" are applicable on them too
they hit thin air just as any other TMA

[choylifutrocks]

Choylifu: I do agree that horse stances teach you to push yourself and stregnthen your legs but that's just about it. All i said is that for fighting they suck.

Agreed I should have added a note of sarcasm in there, because I meant it. Yeah, pushing it and building leg strength yes, sparring / fighting, horribe, hideous fighting stance!!

[Thai Bri]

now you're being inconcequent, your "arguments" are applicable on them too
they hit thin air just as any other TMA

If you mean inconsistent.....

He said Karate Katas were useless. He was correct.

He said TKD Katas were useless. He was correct.

He said Kung Fu Katas were useFUL. WRONG!

Two out of three. And that isn't bad........

[sherwinc]

Every KungFu Kata's has its own Dis-advantages and Advantages to the unfamiliar opponent. The most important thing in KungFu is not to expose your Kata especially the Higher Level of Kata or else some of the most advanced KungFu Practitioner/Master of the other KungFu arts may know your negative and positive side of your KungFu Style/System.

For example:
If i see a WingChun performing his Switches/Drills (cause there are no Katas in WingChun - only Drills/Switches instead of Katas) as i see it then i may know that their weakness is to fight wingchun in a longdistance, so may i use TanTui (SpringLeg KungFu Style) and maintain a long distance to defeat WingChun KungFu. And i will not frequently use my fist like hitting then on this side cause they have an advantage smashing their Iron Bridge Forearm unto my forearm, instead i will use my.... and a follow-up just in case like these.....

Non-KungFu martial arts have a difficulty to understand what i mean cause their Martial Art is A FIST IS JUST A FIST AND NOTHING MORE.

That is the reason why Katas in KungFu is very important.

All of the secret and all of the information of your KungFu art is compressed inside your Kata, Your KungFu instructor teach you only ALPHABETS, you have the right to break the code and made it to SENTENCE.....

You know.... it is really hard for the Non-KungFu Martial Artists to understand what i mean.

and.....

Karate and Tae Kwon Do Kata is useless!!!!!! cause they are all telegraphic to the eye, even thou how fast you execute your moves still telegraphic to the eye cause most of their moves thier fist comes from their waist and to the target.....

Muay Thai and wrestling are useless too cause all of their attack is telegraphic also and not direct, they did not use the principle of THE SHORTEST DISTANCE BETWEEN POINT A TO POINT B IS A STRAIGHT LINE, they cannot attack directly but they take a fast deep breath before launching an attack whether a punch or a kick.

Only KungFu attack the opponent using their Lead body weapons

Muay Thai and Wrestling attack the opponent using their Rear body weapons and that is a good example of a telegraphic move

Karate and Tae Kwon Do is an extremely telegraphic cause their attack comes from their Waist and to the target with a pause by pause and stop by stop motion of Kata while when they fight they do hoping and jumping jack from side to side and front to rear on which it could not be found on thier Kata, so their Kata is EXTREMELY USELESS!!!!!!

CONVINCED?????????

[brokenelbow]

Non-KungFu martial arts have a difficulty to understand what i mean cause their Martial Art is A FIST IS JUST A FIST AND NOTHING MORE.

You know.... it is really hard for the Non-KungFu Martial Artists to understand what i mean.

LMAO! My friend you really don't know what you are talking about.

[IPON]

it is really hard for the Non-KungFu Martial Artists to understand what i mean.

I study Wing Chun and Have no Idea what the eff you are talking about No katas in KF, of course they are forms and wing chun has three. I do not understand you point, if fact you stated on another post that you have never studied wing chun so how can you speak so confidently of its merits or disadvantages. Dude you are like the kung fu version of muayThai fighter he at least will concede that MT is not unbeatable (well sometimes).

The thread is KARATE is not so bad. Not KARATE IS NOT SO BAD IF YOU COMPARE IT TO KUNG FU. Stop smoking yuca

[sherwinc]

LMAO! My friend you really don't know what you are talking about.

That is what i mean.....

You dont understand what KungFu depth is....

that is the reason why KungFu is a lifetime martial art....

even thou you reach 3 lives or you reach 300 years old of your age practicing KungFu still you cannot master it all....

Example:
1. Tai Chi Chuan is practice at about 20 years for the average student
2. Tai Chi Sword is practice at about another 20 years for the average student
3. WingChun is practice at about 3 years for the average student
4. Tanglang Chuan is practice at about 3 years for the average student
5. etc. etc. etc. and many more

An old KungFu Instructor (a friend of my KungFu instructor's intructor) one of this friend ask that old KungFu Instructor (age 61) that why is it that your old enough but you still practicing KungFu?
The old KungFu Instructor answer " I AM STILL - LEARNING "

Non-KungFu martial arts is easier to master - so, easier to defeat......

That is what i mean, see???? you dont know what i mean......

CONVINCED?????????

[IPON]

you dont know what i mean.

Nope I will let you know whe I turn 300 next year

[sherwinc]

correction.....

I study Wing Chun and Have no Idea what the eff you are talking about No katas in KF, of course they are forms and wing chun has three. I do not understand you point, if fact you stated on another post that you have never studied wing chun so how can you speak so confidently of its merits or disadvantages. Dude you are like the kung fu version of muayThai fighter he at least will concede that MT is not unbeatable (well sometimes).

The thread is KARATE is not so bad. Not KARATE IS NOT SO BAD IF YOU COMPARE IT TO KUNG FU. Stop smoking yuca

Correction:
There are no Kata's in WingChun, only Switches.

I only learned WingChun thru Internet websites, Inside KungFu Magazine, WingChun Books of Randy Williams, and a word of mouth of those Fake Wingchun instructors here in our place....

in the beginning, if you only rely on Inside KungFu Magazine topic of WingChun, WingChun Books of Randy Williams, WingChun Internet Websites and articles, you could not learn WingChun if you have no background in other Chinese Martial Arts Like Chi Dian Bun of mine on which Short Distance but its Taoist form of Short Distance Scientific KungFu.

Many of the fake WingChun Students here learn wingchun narrowly but i am very lucky cause Thru my Chi Dian Bun, Tai Chi, Tonglong Kun, some GoCho/NgoChoKun and Ang Ka - i will truly understand what WingChun is......

Just like you, you have the background of WingChun and your lucky cause you learn WingChun thru your WingChun Instructor, if you study TaiChiChuan from another instructor or same instructor there - practicing it regularly as time goes by - if you meet other KungFu martial arts you may truly understand their weakness and their advantages especially if they expose their higher Kata, you will easily learn thier art if you have a background of an original (traditional KungFu and not those of Fake Kungfu everywhere).

Now, if you see a Norther Seven Star Praying Mantis (Chit Chiee Tong Long Kun) practicing and performing his advance Kata - as you observed his highest Kata - you will know more of their advantage and their weakness when they fight.

The most important thing for you to master other KungFu arts just like me is to have a background of 2 or more KungFu (not those of Fake KungFu everywhere). Two or more KungFu ( a KungFu background specialize in Soft, Northern, Internal, Longranged KungFu - While your second KungFu background specialize in Hard, Southern, External, Shortranged KungFu) You will truly understand other KungFu Martial arts that has some similarities with it.

Like comparing WingChun KungFu to a ChiDianBun KungFu to a NgoChoKun KungFu

Like comparing TaiChiChun KungFu to a WhiteEyebrowStyle KungFu to a PaKua KungFu.

Like comparing Southern Praying Mantis KungFu to a Northern Praying Mantis KungFu to a Seven Star Praying Mantis KungFu.

Just like me:
comparing Chi Dian Bun KungFu to a WingChun Kung - the two KungFu has a similarity to each other but:
1. I know the difference between WingChun ChiSau(stickinghands) and ChiDianBun's WalkingHand
2. I know the difference between the WingChun wooden dummy and the Chidianbuns wooden dummy
3. I know the difference between the winchun 108 switches (not Kata's) and the Chidianbun's 220 non-stop Kata's.
4. I know the difference between the Wingchun buddhist theory and the chidianbun's taoist theory and power punching
5. i know the differences between the wingchun's iron-palm, iron-bridge forearm to a chidianbun's phoenix eye fist and its seven elements.
6. i know the differences between the wingchun 6&1/5point pole compare to a chidianbun's twinhooked swords and its Hik systems Sword.

Note:
I study traditional ChiDianBun KungFu and other KungFu arts Like TaiChiChuan (Hik, Kiaw, Chua, Tan, Yang styles/systems) AngKa KungFu, TongLong and some NgoChoKun KungFu to a true original chinese Martial aRts instructor here in our place privately. We were only 15 students.

I study Wingchun only in Magazines of Inside KungFu, Internet WEbsites, books of randy williams and a word of mouth of some of the fake wingchun instructors here who claim themselves good in wingchun.

You Still Dont know what i mean????????

[Toudiyama[NL]]

If you mean inconsistent.....

He said Karate Katas were useless. He was correct.

He said TKD Katas were useless. He was correct.

He said Kung Fu Katas were useFUL. WRONG!

Two out of three. And that isn't bad........

ok stand corrected, took it as if you said 2 out of 3 suck and that ain't bad for your statement that it's crap (forms)

I actually was inconsistent by using a dutch word in an english post