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What is the main difference between JJJ and BJJ
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Hmmm... I'm not sure, but as far as I have understood, JJJ is Japanese, and BJJ is Brazilian. Can anyone verify this? LOL
To be more serious, BJJ is an unarmed grappling style evolved from Judo into the modern Vale Tudo style. JJJ on the other hand is the martial art of the feudal samurai, which takes into account wearing the samurai armour, wielding weapons, etc. -
Both are the same with variations. Traditional JJJ has all the Ground of BJJ but focuses less on it. The Traditional JJJ was not working very well for Helio Gracie (b/c of his stature) against bigger opponents that were also trained in JJJ. Therefore, he developed ways to make JJJ work for himself. He refers to them as his "car jack". Today, BJJ does not employ the amount of weapons or the standing striking training of JJJ.
This story in itself teaches dedication to ones art will give what one desires. Reach mastery in your art then use what works for you. Some masters keep what is tradition others add what they feel is missing others through out everything they believe doesn't work. Keep in mind what as Helio learned to, what works for some doesn't work for others and vice versa. So one must be very careful eliminating stuff without a complete understanding.Comment
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BJJ or Gracie Jiu-jitsu is just another "Ryu" of Jiu-jitsu like judo was called "kando-Ryu Jiu-jitsu".Comment
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Stories of BJJ in Rio
I am brazilian, and lived in Rio de Janeiro (home of the Gracies) for my first 25years (I am 40 now).
When I was seven, I practiced Judo in a dojo that also had TJJ. It looked more like a complete self-defense art, with a mix o Judo, BJJ and torsions (like in Krav Maga or Aikido).
A few years later, BJJ, or should I say the Gracies and alike, started making a huge success with their style. Unfortunatelly, a lot of bad guys, incluiding the a few Gracies, started giving a bad name to the art. Still, it was "the art" should you be interested in REAL self defense. Make no mistake, the Gracies are a real clan, totally dedicated to this art.
In 94, with the MMA UFC event, BJJ exploded in the world and caused a second revolution in Brazil (by the way, it is written "BRASIL" in portuguese). Still today BJJ is considered the mother of all arts in our country, eventhough a lot of wise guys teach it without being fully prepared and some Bad Boys continue to misuse it. It is, by far, the more prestigious (in the sense of media attention) and trainned art in Brasil (in number of students).
As I mentionned in other forums, Judo fighters are increasingly being successful in BJJ championships. I belive this may lead to a more consistent stand-up technique in the near future.
I belive the greatest message BJJ passed is that ground grappling techniques are a must, something most of us were not totally aware until we got choked or arm-barred..Comment
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BJJ is blamed for lot of violence in Brasil especially in night clubs and Bars.
Appararently, BJJ clubs members like settling their personnal issues with one other (especially with school rivalry) with the good old vale tudo style.
JJJ and BJJ are totally different. BJJ get to practice their techniques when they 'spar'/roll.
JJJ does not spar/roll and if they do...not really to the extent and intensity of BJJ. That why BJJ is better!Comment
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Bjj fighters attitude
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You are not totally wrong about the bjj fighters attitude, although it is always unfair do generalize. Nowdays the masters are working hard in order to change this image of bjj dojos, since it is bad business having bad reputation.
Nevertheless what is great in bjj is that you train at full power and do not hurt yourself, thus allowing you to train again.
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And that's why you're an idiot... Please come and roll around on the ground in the streets of Chicago.. See if you can get an armbar off before one of our many gang members blow your head off.Originally posted by wardancerComment
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Or ,alternatively, try the silly compliancy based training methods of a great many TJJ clubs. No doubt you will lose your head even more quickly.Comment
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There is no such thing as one martial art being better than the other. It is the application of such art. Even Bruce Lee stated that many years ago. If BJJ was the best martial art in the world, then everyone who studied BJJ would be able to kick any Aikido student's butt, or JJJ student or Shotokan, or Win Chung (you get the idea).
As my master once said, "You can't reinvent the wheel. You can only modify it somewhat." An armbar is an armbar in Brazil just as it is in Japan. Brazilian Ju-jitsu would not even exist today if it weren't for Japanese Ju-Jitsu. Notice how the name Ju-Jitsu (the gentle art) comes from Japan.
One of my fellow Chicago natives (well, I lived near Joliet actually growing up) made a great point. If you try to wrap up with one Latin King, Gangster Disciple, 2-6, Vice Lord, or whomever, the next thug is going to come up and blast your head off. Something else my GRANDMASTER once told me was, "The best fight you can get in is one you never get into." O Sensie Ureshiba felt the same sentiment.
I really don't like when people try to say what style is better than the other. There are apparent advantages to some arts over the others, but there are some martial artists who are so great at their style and its applications that they make their style appear to be far superior to anyone else.
With that said, I'm a big fan of Japanese styles, but that is because I'm a much more powerful man than I am a graceful, fluid-moving, man. That is why I'm not a practictioner of anything Chinese. I'm sure I could do it with enough practice, but I'm just not interested.
I'm not interested in Korean styles because what I have seen I've not liked. That is not to say that Korean arts are inferior, this is just one man's opinion.
Peace to everyone.Comment
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Thats a circular argument. Certain arts train and apply techniques in a certain way. So the arts that do so ineffectively are not as good as the ones that do so effectively.
So, indeed, some arts are certainly better than others.Comment
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Originally posted by Thai Bri
Agreed. I don't think it is an issue of better or worse but it is clear that BJJ is more consistant in the level of training than JJJ dojos. But many practioners are fools to think they are unbeatable by the virtue of training in a particular style.Comment
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That's exactly what I was trying to say in about fifty thousand words. Sorry, I must have made everyoneOriginally posted by IPON
by the time they read the end of my post.
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I think a good blend is BJJ and JJJ. JJJ has a lot of submissions which are useless if we can't gwet in the right position to use them. BJJ is great for getting into a good postion.
I've done both. A few years of BJJ and now I'm doing JJJ. At heart, I'll always be a standup fighter but in order to "complete" my training I need it all. I learned a lot in BJJ but I also learned that most of the BJJ'ers couldn't stand up with me. So that tells us something right there.
No single art is complete in my book, but many great Jujitsuka will say Ju Jitsu is Ju Jitsu. So there is nothing wrong in the least to blending the differant ryu.Comment
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Styles in all honesty don't make the fighter. I know a hells angel to damn near killed the best kickboxer in alaska. But then again that hells angel had been in more street fights then most people hear about in a liftime. So now the question arises, is it experience or skill?Originally posted by Thai BriComment
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