Wing Chun Vs Kyokushin Karate

[Toudiyama[NL]]

old karate masters will never teach you all that they know cause he is stupid enought to teach you all that he knows........

can you write this again and now so it make sense

so, here is an example:
if the kungfu master teach his kungfu to an okinawan student, out of 26 letters in the English Alphabet he teach the okinawan student only 8 letters - he go back to okinawa and later invented karate - then that okinawan student teach his okinawan fellow there only 4 alphabets.......

so, how can these 4 alphabets defeat the 26 overall alphabets???????

And why wouldn't they teach everything? the Okinawans and Chinese were very close. not like the Japanese and the Chinese
In fact, in the past, Okinawa was more close to china, almost being a province of it instead of Japan

Your claims are such that you say that KF masters in the past were all a bunch of racists

There is No proof, that the old Karatemasters weren't instructed in the complete curriculum, seeing that the books are only received by the best students, some karate masters must have been just that, to have received the bubishi

A master that keeps information from his students, just because they are of another nationality isn't worth sheit
BTW don't you think instead they wouldn't have taken them on as a student?


A teacher that doesn't teach any of his student all he knows, but still relies on tradition, is actually killing that same tradition because every generation will know less and less

A good teacher welcomes the day that his students surpass him otherwise he shouldn't be a teacher to begin with

[KungFuFighting]

so, how can these 4 alphabets defeat the 26 overall alphabets???????

LOL !!! You hit the nail on ther head sherwinc !!

[Toudiyama[NL]]

LOL !!! You hit the nail on ther head sherwinc !!

Ah you also never heard of quality over quantity

appart from that, Karate and manyy other arts define technique differently than KF does, what we would call a combination, you call technique

We break thinggs into their building block and name those, we still do the same things as you do but you use one or two terms to discribe it we need 4 or 5
On the other hand because the buildingblocks are easy to learn and from there to be used as reference, thhe combinations are learned faster
Because the KF technique is considered uniquee it is learned as one complex movement it's harder dan learning just a new sequence of the same

Ik you want to cross the river, you can start learning 50 ways to build a bridge OR you can just cut a tree and drop it across the river and walk that
I go for the latter, so little alphabets needed to reach my goal

To me e technique isn't different if it is done left or right, high, midle or low, from a kneeling position or standing, flying or turning, moving forward or backwards, it is still the same technique

BTW the CMA guy in the video didn't go down because of lack of conditining but on a couple of liverhits, no conditioning will save you there, when hit at the right time, it will hurt anybody
And Kyokushin fighters are known for those

[darrianation]

S*** YOUR BALLS MAN YOU ARE KID WHO GO AROUND BOASTING YOUR EMPTY SKILLS

I was asked, nimrod!

Nor do I suppose that because I defeated a WC guy or two that means WC sucks or karate/other art is better. I was just better than the WC guy on that day. But WC is by far not superior to other arts. You are the Goony if you think that it is. There has been many examples of WC guys loosing fights, in the street, against other MAs, and against other WC guys. WC is not superior to jack shit. If you have good physical attributes, solid mental attributes, and some skill you will probably win, but if the other guy has more than you he'll probably win.

I don't know why I am even responding to you, it's obvious your nothing but a snot nosed troll!

[ddrive]

The first time it was my Karate school went and visited a WC school (this was back in the late 70’s) We did a class with them, then we sparred. We had approx 12 students who made the trip white belt to black. We won every match, we did not loose a single match.

Next was a guy in a bare knuckled NHB competition (no rules except time limit of 5 minutes, and no eye gouging/biting) He had damn quick hands but he could not stop my leg kicks or my clinches and knees. The WC guy tried to work his forearm stuff, but he couldn't make it work. He did punch fast and furious without causing much damage and I put my rights cross right through his punches and ended the fight about a minute and half into it.

Next was a guy who we had mutual friends and he challenged me one night when I bad mouthed KF without knowing he was a WC practitioner, so we fought (with 16 oz. Boxing gloves) I stopped him with push kicks and leg kicks before I finally nailed him with a right cross that put him down.

I have also messed around with another guy in a friendly sparring match but I accidentally head butted him and split his eyebrow wide open.

From the 70's. Wow. The one thing I noticed about most traditional WC schools, is out of all the techniques taught, there's two techniques that I've never seen that could help a lot of wc students during a fight... Duck and Weave!

[Tameo]

From the 70's. Wow. The one thing I noticed about most traditional WC schools, is out of all the techniques taught, there's two techniques that I've never seen that could help a lot of wc students during a fight... Duck and Weave!

Duck and get your head kicked, weave and let WC practitioner take your balance...

[Thai Bri]

Very true. There are numerous fights that have illustrated this.

However, none of them have taken place yet.

[Tameo]

Very true. There are numerous fights that have illustrated this.

However, none of them have taken place yet.

I have seen it happen many times...
Your saying you have seen every fight that happened in the world?

[Thai Bri]

Of course you have.

[Tameo]

Of course you have.

Yes I have.

[Tameo]

Do you really hope to convince everyone on this forum that WC is bullshit with your pathetic reasons and only 12 months WC experience?

[Tameo]

I'd love to see you come over to LA and try sparring with my Instructor or even one of his senior students.

[sherwinc]

And why wouldn't they teach everything? the Okinawans and Chinese were very close. not like the Japanese and the Chinese
In fact, in the past, Okinawa was more close to china, almost being a province of it instead of Japan

Karate should not be done in a BrokenRhythm since KungFu is not a brokenrhythm........ this simply shows that Karate is an INCOMPLETE and Full of Errors style of martial arts.......

i would rather vote on Western Boxing and Muay Thai than Karate cause WesternBoxing and MuayThai is not a brokenrhytm art.......

TaeKwonDo is not a brokenrhythm when it fights but its SetPattern is a BrokenRhythm like Karate Kata and TaeKwonDo's BrokenRhytm setpattern is also useless than karate......

Your claims are such that you say that KF masters in the past were all a bunch of racists

There is No proof, that the old Karatemasters weren't instructed in the complete curriculum, seeing that the books are only received by the best students, some karate masters must have been just that, to have received the bubishi

A master that keeps information from his students, just because they are of another nationality isn't worth sheit
BTW don't you think instead they wouldn't have taken them on as a student?


A teacher that doesn't teach any of his student all he knows, but still relies on tradition, is actually killing that same tradition because every generation will know less and less

A good teacher welcomes the day that his students surpass him otherwise he shouldn't be a teacher to begin with

even my kungfu instructor doesnt want to teach us Full Version of NgoChoKun as what he learn and he also doesnt want to teach us his Southern Eagle Claw System of KungFu.......

Even the KungFu of my instructors Father and the KungFu of my instructors Brother are not the same, they had to keep the unique art of their own....

maybe he is true by saying like grandfather like son ( not like father like son)...

Broken Rhythm Martial Arts is a WASTE OF TIME....... Western Boxing, KickBoxing, MuayThai is not a broken rhythm kind of martial arts but the thing that i dont want them is that they only cover their forearms when you punch them as their blockings...... and most of the time, they use their face and chest to block opponents punches.....

CONVINCED??????

and lastly.....

all Karate, TaeKwonDo, MuayThai, WesternBoxing, etc.... except kungfu is all TELEGRAPHIC TO THE OPPONENTS EYE........ Bruce Lee doesnt want a telegraphic form of martial arts...... i am really convinced by this JeetKuneDo.....

without WingChun - Jeet Kune Do is useless.......

just like......

without my knowledge in ChiDianBun KungFu and Some of the NgoChoKun KungFu (half-half learned) i am sure i cant understand the principles and movements of WingChun that i only learned from wingchun net websites and wingchun books....

it is truely hard to understand KungFu if you have no proper instructor, that you only rely on books, net, magazines, and word of mouth of the fake filipino kungfu instructors here in our place.....

[HuSanYan]

sherwinc, where can I find some basic info about the Eagle claw style/system??, could you please post a link (if there are any websites that you know of)??, much appreciated.

btw, i am once again about to start some serious research into some of the KungFu styles that i have not yet had the time to look at. White Crane is one of them.

sorry if this post is a bit off topic......

[darrianation]

From the 70's. Wow. The one thing I noticed about most traditional WC schools, is out of all the techniques taught, there's two techniques that I've never seen that could help a lot of wc students during a fight... Duck and Weave!

Bobbing and weaving could very well get you into trouble. That’s why you do not see it in Muay Thai very often, Because it makes it easy for your opponent to clinch you or nail you with knees. However in street fighting it can be very effective if you truly know what you are doing and its limitations.

Definitely in ring sports such as MT the bob and weave has proved to bad juju on occasion, but the jury is still out when it comes to the street. I have a friend who is a pro boxer now retired but I have been with him on two occasions when he got into a fight both time against multiples and his footwork, body movement, and his B&W was so awesome in either fight no-one was able to hit him. Of course most of us are not pro fighters, but there may or may not be merit for the bob and weave in street fighting. I have always been taught it is bad in street fighting, so I think if you want to spend the time learning, practicing, and perfecting it, that’s fine.

I teach to slip punches and duck as well as the duck and shoot, but not the bob and weave, only because it is my believe that it can put the average SD student at greater risk and this means you are dueling and I don’t believe in dueling, unless of course you have a lot of athletic talent and ability like a skilled pro fighter.