Any clips of Ninjistu fighter?

[chris davis 200]

well if you take a look at the SOKE of the style here doing some .... um ... not too sure what - it should be obvious that Ninjutsu is the very very best ultimate unbeatable art on the planet!!! I mean look at the dudes cap!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.winjutsu.com/source/video_gallery.html

[koto_ryu]

Come on man, say something useful. Everyone knows that. You'd be hard pressed to find an art who's motto is "work harder, not smarter!" You're not helping matters. Now put your hole digging shovel away, put away the Hayes books and say something to demonstrate that you've actually used ninjitsu, what works for you, and why.

-Hikage

I work as a plainclothes security specialist for a local company and our main role is to act as secret shoppers in grocery stores and bust shoplifters. The pay sucks but the hours are extremely flexible, and though boring as all get out sometimes you often get to have a little fun and tangle with someone. There's been a few instances where I have had to use what I've learned, though not always ninjutsu but I'll give you examples of techniques I've applied that have actually worked.

The first time I used it, there was a rather large black dude who stole a bunch of Delmonico steaks and tried to leave. He was pretty docile when we took him back to the stockroom and had him sit down, but once he heard we had called the police sucker-punched the manager and started throttling one of the stockboys on his way out. I often keep a training kusari fundo in my pocket (basically a 3ft length of rope with braided ends, as who really thinks that's a weapon?) and after he slammed aside the stockboy (some poor skinny kid) came right at me reaching for me to try to do the same. A fun little technique with the kusari is easily applied when they're doing this, as you basically pop them on the forearms and loop the kusari around the back of their neck, entrapping both their arms behind his head. After that it was a simple headbutt to the nose (which ninjutsu is pretty unique for, as being one of few traditional Japanese arts to utilize it) and a knee to the crotch (I may not be fancy but I tend to stick what's effective) and he became pretty docile again.

Another time was my heroin addict story, which had me sweating for a few weeks while I got tested for AIDs as the fucker bit me. I was working at a store out in Wexford when one of the managers shouted for me and I turned the corner in time to see some skinny white dude clawing and scratching at a stockboy, razor blades falling out of his shirt. Apparently he had loaded up and was attempting to leave when the stockboy stopped him, and he clawed and chewed the guy until he could make his escape. I had to chase him out into the parking lot (and being someone who hates to run, did not make me happy) where he was attempting to unlock his car to get away. I caught his right wrist with an ura shuto (basically a knife-hand strike) to make him drop his keys, which I kicked under his car. Then while I was getting him in an arm entanglement technique (they call it "warrior take", its simple but effective), that's when the fucker bit me. I didn't get too fancy after that, I just banged his head off his car and got him in a chicken wing on the other side and marched him right back into the store.

The third was the most fun for me, as I didn't get bit or have to tangle with big guys. This one was mostly a technique I learned in the Marine Corps, but it still was fun and is used in ninjutsu, just applied in a different way. Same situation: guy gets caught, guy gets taken back into the stockroom, guy gets cops called on him (though this time it was because we found a bottle of E in his pocket, some skinny geek raver dude). He's watched too many Jackie Chan movies as he tries pushing the chair at the manager with his foot and then running out. The chair doesn't move too much for him, unfortunately, and just ends up falling over and he decides to throw a punch at me (Why me, I don't know. Personally I'd throw the punch at the short fat guy in my way rather than the young guy with the Marine Corps polo shirt :P). I did an ura gyakku (your basic wrist lock takedown, common in many styles actually) to take him to the ground and grapevined his legs. A few koppo kens (basically a fist with the thumb bent on the side and put on top, a fun little thing to hit people with) to his obliques got his arms out pretty quick, so I wrapped up his one arm with a musha-dori (arm entanglement) and used the other hand to apply direct pressure to that fun little pressure point right under the nose (put your middle finger and ring finger out straight and place them right underneath your nose and then roll them upwards and press in pretty hard, its not fun trust me ).

[koto_ryu]

Come on man, say something useful. Everyone knows that. You'd be hard pressed to find an art who's motto is "work harder, not smarter!" You're not helping matters. Now put your hole digging shovel away, put away the Hayes books and say something to demonstrate that you've actually used ninjitsu, what works for you, and why.

-Hikage

Actually there is an art that does make things harder for them, just to look flashy. I forget the name of it, but it's some crazy karate hybrid that every move is some spinning or circular thing. It's boggling to watch but it doesn't look very effective :P

[koto_ryu]

well if you take a look at the SOKE of the style here doing some .... um ... not too sure what - it should be obvious that Ninjutsu is the very very best ultimate unbeatable art on the planet!!! I mean look at the dudes cap!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.winjutsu.com/source/video_gallery.html

Alright, now you're getting a bit personal So just because the guy wears a cap he's not a martial artist? Soke Hatsumi is one amazing martial artist, he did numerous martial arts before learning under O'Sensei Takamatsu, who took him on as his personal student which was very rare for O'Sensei to do. Soke's main trade before he became a full-time instructor was as a bone doctor, consequently he is fond of the Koto Ryu school which specializes in bone attacks and breaking. If you've ever seen the guy perform his techniques, you'd be amazed as nothing he does is ever exactly the same as his taijutsu (total body movement) is remarkable. Soke Hatsumi was entrusted with all the scrolls of the nine schools, many of which are thousands of years old and has knowledge in there people would sell their souls to read as it is one of the most accurate histories of ninjutsu ever made as well as a comprehensive guide of techniques that date back approximately 1500 years. What you are actually seeing in those videos is a demonstration of pressure points where Soke is showing off a few basic ones to amuse an audience at one of the Tai Kai gatherings from years back.

Many people cannot understand ninjutsu as it doesn't have a lot of set rules, or forms, or movements. Ninjutsu trains you to be "in the moment" and it's very individualized and open to improvisation, which some people can never seem to comprehend. Yes, there are plenty of movements that must be learned (called the kihon happo) and can be utilized, but much of ninjutsu is learning what works for you and your own fighting style. Some people just don't get it, however, and that's why they can't understand it as they're used to rigid forms and katas, and having a set form of guidelines to follow.

[jubaji]

The first time I used it, there was a rather large black dude who stole a bunch of Delmonico steaks and tried to leave. He was pretty docile when we took him back to the stockroom and had him sit down, but once he heard we had called the police sucker-punched the manager and started throttling one of the stockboys on his way out. I often keep a training kusari fundo in my pocket (basically a 3ft length of rope with braided ends, as who really thinks that's a weapon?) and after he slammed aside the stockboy (some poor skinny kid) came right at me reaching for me to try to do the same. A fun little technique with the kusari is easily applied when they're doing this, as you basically pop them on the forearms and loop the kusari around the back of their neck, entrapping both their arms behind his head. After that it was a simple headbutt to the nose (which ninjutsu is pretty unique for, as being one of few traditional Japanese arts to utilize it) and a knee to the crotch (I may not be fancy but I tend to stick what's effective) and he became pretty docile again.

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Now, there's a load of B.S.

[jubaji]

Many people cannot understand ninjutsu .

Doesn't that work out well?

[chris davis 200]

Alright, now you're getting a bit personal ....

how??

I am mierly pointing out that he doesnt demonstrate any amzing unbeatable skill in those clips, or in any material i have seen of him. He is a skilled guy in some respects, in others not. Much like anyone.

The reference to the cap is just a piss take. Nothing to get your knickers in a twist about!

If you've ever seen the guy perform his techniques, you'd be amazed as nothing he does is ever exactly the same as his taijutsu (total body movement) is remarkable. Soke Hatsumi was entrusted with all the scrolls of the nine schools, many of which are thousands of years old and has knowledge in there people would sell their souls to read as it is one of the most accurate histories of ninjutsu ever made as well as a comprehensive guide of techniques that date back approximately 1500 years.

I have seen Hatsumi perform. I have seen him perform in his numerous video tapes and i have seen his taijustsu many times before and i must say that he is skilled. However i strongly disagree whith much of what you say.

Even the OLDEST ryuha in existance are little older than 1000 years - the formalisation of Ryuha didnt even occure in Japan 1500 years ago.

Many people cannot understand ninjutsu as it doesn't have a lot of set rules, or forms, or movements

This made me chuckle - as an ex Bujinkan member i know this to be wholey inaccurate!!

Yes, there are plenty of movements that must be learned

Nice contrediction!!

[quote] but much of ninjutsu is learning what works for you and your own fighting style [ /quote]

This is part of the reason why some top Shihan moved on - due to the - do what you want attitude and the deviation from tradition.

Some people just don't get it, however, and that's why they can't understand it as they're used to rigid forms and katas, and having a set form of guidelines to follow.

If you have ever read any of my posts you will soon realise that i am not one of those people.

I am mierly trying to point out that Ninjutsu is not the invincible street art that peope have made out. I trained in it with a talanted teacher of a high rank and many arts i have trained in since have far more substance, insight and practicality than much of what i practiced in Ninjutsu.

But being happy with your art is a big thing that you need, to be able to progress and you seem pretty happy. so good luck with things.

Chris

[jubaji]

Another failure of public education

how??

I am mierly pointing out that he doesnt demonstrate any amzing unbeatable skill in those clips, or in any material i have seen of him. He is a skilled guy in some respects, in others not. Much like anyone.

I have seen him perform in his numerous video tapes and i have seen his taijustsu many times before and i must say that he is skilled. However i strongly disagree whith much of what you say.

Even the OLDEST ryuha in existance are little older than 1000 years - the formalisation of Ryuha didnt even occure in Japan 1500 years ago.

This made me chuckle - as an ex Bujinkan member i know this to be wholey inaccurate!!
Nice contrediction!!

If you have ever read any of my posts you will soon realise that i am not one of those people.

I am mierly trying to point out that Ninjutsu is not the invincible street art that peope have made out. I trained in it with a talanted teacher of a high rank and many arts i have trained in since have far more substance, insight and practicality than much of what i practiced in Ninjutsu.

Wow! How did you break all your fingers?

[koto_ryu]

Even the OLDEST ryuha in existance are little older than 1000 years - the formalisation of Ryuha didnt even occure in Japan 1500 years ago.

This made me chuckle - as an ex Bujinkan member i know this to be wholey inaccurate!!

Nice contrediction!!

Nice spelling :P And it's obvious you didn't cover too much during your few Bujinkan lessons, as if you follow the list of teachers from the different ryus back throughout history, you will see that it does in fact go within the range of approximately 1500 years. If they have 33 previous grandmasters and one right now for 34, thats a heckuva lot of years you're talking about, much more than 1000. I'll buy you a calculator if you run out of fingers and toes

This is part of the reason why some top Shihan moved on - due to the - do what you want attitude and the deviation from tradition.

Many of them diverged from Soke's teachings as they wished to do other things, which Soke respected and let them go do their own thing but he asked that they not call themselves Bujinkan anymore since they were doing things differently (i.e. Bussey and that silly American Ninjitsu shit).

I am mierly trying to point out that Ninjutsu is not the invincible street art that peope have made out. I trained in it with a talanted teacher of a high rank and many arts i have trained in since have far more substance, insight and practicality than much of what i practiced in Ninjutsu.

I'm not claiming it is "invincible" as no martial art really is. I stand by the fact that there is no superior martial arts, only superior martial artists. As long as you're good at what you can do and are in good shape, you'll be pretty safe on the streets. It just gets irritating sometimes when everybody wants you to summarize your art in one post and get pissy when you can't :P

[koto_ryu]

Now, there's a load of B.S.

Yep, you totally caught me on that one. I forgot jubaji was standing over my shoulder, watching the entire thing

[jubaji]

Yep, you totally caught me on that one. I forgot jubaji was standing over my shoulder, watching the entire thing

You must be doing poorly in your creative writing class.

[koto_ryu]

Considering I'm pre-med, I must be if I didn't even know I was scheduled to go to that one Now that there's nothing left to insult, you can go scurry back into your hole and wait until something else strikes your fancy.

[jubaji]

Considering I'm pre-med, I must be if I didn't even know I was scheduled to go to that one

hahahahahahaaaaaahahhaahaaahaha

"pre-med" LOL
I'm glad you think that's impressive
An undergrad who thinks he knows what he wants to be when he grows up! LOL

[koto_ryu]

And yah I do have it all planned out, and very little comes out of my pocket due to veterans benefits and the GI Bill, I'll only have to start paying once I go to NYCC and even then it won't be too bad. Sorry to have let another one of your insults get shot down again though

[jubaji]

talktalktalk

And yah I do have it all planned out, and very little comes out of my pocket due to veterans benefits and the GI Bill, I'll only have to start paying once I go to NYCC and even then it won't be too bad. Sorry to have let another one of your insults get shot down again though

Oh yeah, you got me. Seven or eight years from now, in the unlikely event that you even finish your undergrad degree, let alone get into med school, let alone finish, don't forget to come here and crow about it. You'll show me all right!