manrikigurasi

[medic06]

I was kinda wondering. . . .

you say that his system is ineffective and in the same paragraph ask him about techniques. Why would you want techniques if they are ineffective?

[Garland]

you say that his system is ineffective and in the same paragraph ask him about techniques. Why would you want techniques if they are ineffective?

I'm curious now...I want to see what he's got.

Oh...and Koto, a kinbakushi is a japanese bondage master. They "entangle" people with rope. I was hoping to get a "well, a velvety soft" answer out of my previous question...lets bring this to an end, it seems that you can't take criticism very well, so...unless you can chill, stop posting in my thread, or following me and posting after my posts in other threads (if you absolutely need to get whatever it is that irks you so bad out of your system, you can keep it here, instead of polluting other people's threads, m'kay, it's allright if that's the case)...it just ruins the experience for others, I'm here to learn, not pass judgement on others, so, please, all appologies, let's play nice, and let's hear your schtik. We cool?

[medic06]

I'm curious now...I want to see what he's got.

Oh...and Koto, a kinbakushi is a japanese bondage master. They "entangle" people with rope. I was hoping to get a "well, a velvety soft" answer out of my previous question...lets bring this to an end, it seems that you can't take criticism very well, so...unless you can chill, stop posting in my thread, or following me and posting after my posts in other threads (if you absolutely need to get whatever it is that irks you so bad out of your system, you can keep it here, instead of polluting other people's threads, m'kay, it's allright if that's the case)...it just ruins the experience for others, I'm here to learn, not pass judgement on others, so, please, all appologies, let's play nice, and let's hear your schtik. We cool?

We have similar techniques in Hapkido. Try experimenting with an old martial arts belt. That what we use in class. With a little practice you can figure out most of it.

As far as ineffective styles are concern, I think that a horrible teacher can render ANY style ineffective and a good teacher can take an ineffective style, cull out the crap, and make it dangerous. I think it's more a state of mind of the teacher and the state of mind of the student. That and hard, realistic training. . . .

[koto_ryu]

Oh...and Koto, a kinbakushi is a japanese bondage master. They "entangle" people with rope. I was hoping to get a "well, a velvety soft" answer out of my previous question...lets bring this to an end, it seems that you can't take criticism very well,

Nor can you apparently

judgement on others, so, please, all appologies, let's play nice, and let's hear your schtik. We cool?

I've said my piece, there is far too much to explain about chain weapons than you can accurately get in a single post. If you really desire to learn how to use one (and "effectively", as you seem to believe my art does not teach), then get one and play around with it, use books or videos, or whatnot.

[Garland]

We have similar techniques in Hapkido. Try experimenting with an old martial arts belt. That what we use in class. With a little practice you can figure out most of it.

As far as ineffective styles are concern, I think that a horrible teacher can render ANY style ineffective and a good teacher can take an ineffective style, cull out the crap, and make it dangerous. I think it's more a state of mind of the teacher and the state of mind of the student. That and hard, realistic training. . . .

very, very true. Thanks.

[Garland]

Nor can you apparently



I've said my piece, there is far too much to explain about chain weapons than you can accurately get in a single post. If you really desire to learn how to use one (and "effectively", as you seem to believe my art does not teach), then get one and play around with it, use books or videos, or whatnot.

cool...cool...you wouldn't happen to know of any books or videos that cover chains as part of their subject matter off the top of your head, do you?

I have one crappy one, called "manrikigurasi and shuriken" about these particular weapons...but I was wondering if there's anything with a little more substance to it out there...

[medic06]

cool...cool...you wouldn't happen to know of any books or videos that cover chains as part of their subject matter off the top of your head, do you?

I have one crappy one, called "manrikigurasi and shuriken" about these particular weapons...but I was wondering if there's anything with a little more substance to it out there...

I found this through a google search.

http://www.frontiernet.net/~kobushi/inter-cds.htm

I would recommend starting out with a belt first, chains have a way of coming back and hitting you HARD if you are not careful.

I remember my father used to talk about guys who would walk around with a length of chain with a lock clamped to one end. He said these guys could throw the lock and hit someone in the head with the lock, jerk the chain back, catch the lock, and leave the other guy senseless with few knowing what happened. I was impressed with that story, that and the time when I saw my great uncle pop a horsefly off of a fencepost using his bullwhip.

[koto_ryu]

I found this through a google search.

http://www.frontiernet.net/~kobushi/inter-cds.htm

I would recommend starting out with a belt first, chains have a way of coming back and hitting you HARD if you are not careful.

I remember my father used to talk about guys who would walk around with a length of chain with a lock clamped to one end. He said these guys could throw the lock and hit someone in the head with the lock, jerk the chain back, catch the lock, and leave the other guy senseless with few knowing what happened. I was impressed with that story, that and the time when I saw my great uncle pop a horsefly off of a fencepost using his bullwhip.

You can do the same with small fishing weights and fishing wire, just takes a flick of the wrist and it's pretty accurate if you practice with it.

[Hikage]

Koto,

I respect you as a martial artist and especially as a fellow ninjtisu practioner. I say this becuase I do not want you to think that I am picking on you. Unfortunately, the major flaw in many of your posts is that you make claims that ninjitsu has great teachniques, but telling someone to just play with the chain is not helping them much. Look at ninjitsu. Even though one of the major concepts is creativity and the key to understanding how to survive in combat is to be able to think for oneself, you need to give a foundation. Use the art as a model. Ninjitsu has the kihon happo, or fundamentals of 8. As someone who aspires to be a future instructor, take this as a lesson in instruction - you always need to give someone a starting point. Show him briefly how to attack the arms with the ends, he wants to know how to wrap the arms - what is the footwork? Give him one or two full techniques that are extremely simply; just two or three movements that focus on a single aspect of the rope.

Just helping out...

-Hikage

[medic06]

Hmmmm, it's kinda hard to teach proper technique in a forum. If it happens that he can't get it to work as described then it will reinforce his belief that ninjutsu techniques are ineffective

[holyman]

I once so this skinhead use a toilet chain as a japanese fighting chain and he whipped this guys ass.

I was wondering if anyone teaches how to fight with the chain anymore...seems like it would have alot of pracitcal use, since so many things around us can work as a flexible weapons.
This is one thing I really want to learn, mix it mith some silat stuff using the sarong...ahhhhh.

[koto_ryu]

Koto,

I respect you as a martial artist and especially as a fellow ninjtisu practioner. I say this becuase I do not want you to think that I am picking on you. Unfortunately, the major flaw in many of your posts is that you make claims that ninjitsu has great teachniques, but telling someone to just play with the chain is not helping them much. Look at ninjitsu. Even though one of the major concepts is creativity and the key to understanding how to survive in combat is to be able to think for oneself, you need to give a foundation. Use the art as a model. Ninjitsu has the kihon happo, or fundamentals of 8. As someone who aspires to be a future instructor, take this as a lesson in instruction - you always need to give someone a starting point. Show him briefly how to attack the arms with the ends, he wants to know how to wrap the arms - what is the footwork? Give him one or two full techniques that are extremely simply; just two or three movements that focus on a single aspect of the rope.

No offense taken, and I feel the same likewise about you. However, I'm only telling him this as he claims ninjutsu is ineffective so if he feels it ineffective, why look to a ninjutsu practitioner for techniques? If he feels we don't have anything to offer, he could probably do much better reading books and such and practicing with friends rather than learning "ineffective" techniques.

[Hikage]

understood.......

-Hikage

[LoneWolf1]

Good kusari fundo

I found using a long dog chain helped me practice at first since hitting yourself doesn't hurt so much. when i moved on to a 10foot with a 3 oz weigth i got a few bruises the hardest thing with soft weapons is getting your attacks to flow. U can't really explain how to use one they all work different depending on length and weight or in my case is there is a kama attached to one end Kusarigama ( way cooler than fundo also way more illegal).