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Originally posted by jubaji
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I don't want to totally bash on him for what he's saying, but I'll try to at least let him think about this before I join in
If you think a skilled martial artist beats a biker every time, take a look at Jean Claude van Damme. Good martial artist, no doubt, and he's in great shape. So far he's gotten his ass kicked by at least two or three bikers on the same number of occasions because he got too big for his britches, went into a bar, and started something he couldn't finish. The first time he bumped into a guy, spilled his beer all over his shirt, and decided to pop the guy who did it. Seconds later, JCVD got thrown through the front bar window and onto the pavement outside. Second time, a similar situation happened and JCVD actually threw in a few strikes before he was kneed in the balls, bitten on the face, and thrown to the ground to get his face and ribs kicked for a good few minutes. Don't know about the third one too much actually, but I heard there was a third.
It all goes back to the old formula: Force = Mass x Velocity. A trained fighter who weighs 150 pounds might be able to hit pretty hard, but he'll never have the sheer raw power of a 250 lb untrained man. Sure for professional and amateur combat sports and fight competitions you want to be in the best shape you can possibly be, ripped to the core and ready to rumble. Most actual street fights last under a minute, so even the heftiest opponent isn't likely to get too winded in that short period of time. You can try to slip and jab and hope somebody breaks it up eventually, just hope his buddy doesn't decide to sucker punch you from the side. And if you're in a not-so-friendly place where they could care less about helping you or if you lose your balance (spilled beer, vomit, tripping over a seat or bottle, etc.) and fall down, your life suddenly got a little less enjoyable.
Think about who you would rather have on your side in a possible fight as well: a 150lb black belt or a 250lb trucker? The trucker helps alone by sheer intimidation value, hence why most bouncers are so damn big. Sure that same 150lb black belt could probably do well as a bouncer, but he's much less likely to get hired as if a guy doesn't know his reputation he'll be far more likely to start fights with the smaller guy than the larger one. Size wins over skill 90% of the time; in my old BJJ class, we used to say every 10-20 pounds over your weight your opponent was, that was about the equivalent of another belt above yours. Things to keep in mind
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The morale of the story is. . . .
Don't judge a book by its cover
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Listen you ass! I have been in enough fights to know what realistic fighting is like and what a really good martial artist is like and they arnt fattasses playing ninja!!How nice to get advice from some kid who has evidently never been near a real fight.Comment
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Jean Cluad Van Dame is not a good martial artist at all...he is what you call an actor who pacticed ballet and some kickboxing and works out to get good abs. Big DEAL!!
And what idiot would be going into bars and trashy places with the scum of the earth anyway?? Maybe Walker texas Ranger when he has to question some bar keeper...
And I already said anyone can just sucker punch you and have his friends jump you.
Now what if there was a biker and you had 10 black belts? Who would win? The black belts! Its the same either way whoever has more people wins. That doesnt prove any point about fatness.
And that BJJ fat talk? Yeah frekaing right!! More fat on some guys body means he automatically has more belt skill above you. Really ignorant comment.
Tell that to one of the Gracies who beats the crap about of fattasses way bigger then them in the UFC!!
I am in no way bashing Bujinkan and it seems like a good martial art with good skills, but I dont just buy that fatso dude, he probably just got his rank because he is friends with the teacher.Comment
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Really ignorant comment is right...on your part. I never said fat, I just said pounds. Muscle weighs more than fat. It's that sheer weight advantage and raw power that puts them above you. If you're 130 pounds and you try to armbar me (I weigh around 170-175 pounds), chances are I'm just going to pick you up with you hanging off of my arm and drop you to the floor like a bad habit, probably throwing my own weight on top of you to be a dick as well. That same 130 pound guy could try to triangle choke a 200lb guy: if the 200lb can hoist himself up, he can slam the skinny guy off the deck a couple times, which certainly won't be good for him.Originally posted by Andrew WA
He got his black belt through Shihan van Donk, and every degree afterwards from Soke Hatsumi himself, so he has more than earned his belts. He's not some TKDer who got a black belt from a McDojo and thinks he can now fight and criticizes other instructors because they don't match his ideal image of what a "true" martial artist LOOKS like. I'd rather learn a lot of knowledge from a chubby guy who knows what the hell he's talking about and who's been there done that rather than paying a teacher $80 a month just to do a lot of pushups, flashy kicks, and ineffective sparring.I am in no way bashing Bujinkan and it seems like a good martial art with good skills, but I dont just buy that fatso dude, he probably just got his rank because he is friends with the teacher.
Normally I don't rant like that, but Dave's a great guy and a helluva fighter, and it pisses me off when you hear people who obviously haven't been in a street encounter try to say other people can't fight just because they're fat. Look at Tank Abbot: the guy did no conditioning whatsoever for his first dozen bouts and he kicked some ass. Sure he got beat, but I guarantee if it was in a bar rather than an Octagon, Tank would have definitely had the upper hand. A few of his losses were to other fighters who simply manuvered around him or waited until he ran out of gas (much like you said), but in a real fight you're NOT going to be able to do that as effectively as you think.
A real fight's a lot different than the sparring ring. It's filled with eye gouges, biting, clawing, blood, sweat, spit, dirt, and a lot of other unpleasantness. When a stocky bald Mexican is trying to mount you and all the blood from his broken nose is pouring all over your face and into your mouth, you tend to rethink what you know about fighting and how different it is from the pretty little uniforms and head taps in TKD. The bigger guy will ALWAYS have a supreme advantage over you as far as raw power, no matter how hard you train. That's why size is such a big issue in combat sports. I'm sure you'll say he's fat and can't do shit all over the Internet, but you sure as hell wouldn't say that to his face in real life. Hence, I'll let it slide
Go back to watching and collecting martial arts movies, and stay in the suburbs and away from bars. And keep thinking skinny guys rock cause from the pics on your website, you're far from being a stud and need all the illusions you can get Otherwise your TKD dojo might go out of business! 
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Hey Koto, I bet he could beat you, Dave, Jean Claude Van Damme, and 20 fat ass bikers. . .
All he needs is a good fight coreographer and proper sound effects
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LMAOOriginally posted by medic06Hey Koto, I bet he could beat you, Dave, Jean Claude Van Damme, and 20 fat ass bikers. . .
All he needs is a good fight coreographer and proper sound effects Don't forget the tough-yet-sensitive female hero, the buddy that has to die in the first 10 minutes, and the wizened master that teaches him one new technique that allows him to win
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Well, I don't know what his budget is like. . . .Originally posted by koto_ryuLMAO Don't forget the tough-yet-sensitive female hero, the buddy that has to die in the first 10 minutes, and the wizened master that teaches him one new technique that allows him to win
Maybe he could find a tough-yet-sesitive wizened female master who dies in the first ten minutes after teaching him one new tech that allows him to win. . . .Comment
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I'll call my agentOriginally posted by medic06
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I agree with everything you said here, but this is not the case for that fat ninjutsu guy. He just looks fat...Really ignorant comment is right...on your part. I never said fat, I just said pounds. Muscle weighs more than fat. It's that sheer weight advantage and raw power that puts them above you. If you're 130 pounds and you try to armbar me (I weigh around 170-175 pounds), chances are I'm just going to pick you up with you hanging off of my arm and drop you to the floor like a bad habit, probably throwing my own weight on top of you to be a dick as well. That same 130 pound guy could try to triangle choke a 200lb guy: if the 200lb can hoist himself up, he can slam the skinny guy off the deck a couple times, which certainly won't be good for him.
So lets be honest, is it better for someone to be fit and in good shape as a master martial artist, or is it better for him to be fat and be a master martial artist? I am going with fit and in good shape...you can go with whatever. And this is all I am saying...I just think its shady...Comment
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Actually I am a pretty dang hot stud. I dont care about your opinion of my physical characteristics. At least im not a fattass...Anyway I never said I was an ultimate fighter or claimed to be a master. I am just saying that its odd that a master guy is so fat. For crying out loud!!! And its stupid of you to bash on TKD, I never bashed bujinkan. I even said it seems to be effective and have good things in its system. And I love martial arts so I collect movies with martial arts, is that so wrong?Normally I don't rant like that, but Dave's a great guy and a helluva fighter, and it pisses me off when you hear people who obviously haven't been in a street encounter try to say other people can't fight just because they're fat. Look at Tank Abbot: the guy did no conditioning whatsoever for his first dozen bouts and he kicked some ass. Sure he got beat, but I guarantee if it was in a bar rather than an Octagon, Tank would have definitely had the upper hand. A few of his losses were to other fighters who simply manuvered around him or waited until he ran out of gas (much like you said), but in a real fight you're NOT going to be able to do that as effectively as you think.
And you dont know me, I have BEEN in street encounters enough times to know what its really like. Dont talk crap about my knowledge. I know how street encounters end up (group brawls on one guy who gets his neck, back, and face and head stomped and kicked and punched forever against a metal fence at 8PM in the dark on the cold dirt near a road. And also times when you can have someone sneak up behind you and just choke you out while you are crippled from a car wreck while his friends luagh as you lose breath.) Fighting in real life is not fair and the bad guys win a lot of the time because they use the dirtiest tricks with no remorse. Just like what you said. But I think that on a one-to-one fight ussually the person who is very talented in their martial arts will win against the average street thug. KNow why? Because most attackers go for what they think is easy prey and dont really get into hard confrontations when they attack old ladies, kids and crippled people and steal their wallets and rape small girls. Ussually there is guns or a knife involved.
Now only someone completely stupid like I just said is going to bother going into a dirty bar in the first place and get into a fight. But if you happen to be so stupid yet you are in very good physical shape and a high ranking martial artist who practiced hard for years, you have a better chance against a stupid fat guy who is mad at you for no reason. And then you better run before 10 guys jump you. But how good of a chance does a fat drunk biker guy have against 10 other evil bikers compared to a skilled fighter against 10 evil bikers? Well he doesnt have a very good chance compared to the skilled fighter. Be honest!!!
Also the octagon was just a marketing ploy for BJJ and most of the fighters who fuaght these brawler types sucked anyway and it shows in their matches. When Tank Abbot got his fattass beat by HUGE knee kicks by a muy thai guy it kind of shows you a physically fit trained martial artist can kick a bar brawlers ass pretty easy. Its just proves my point.
I guess someone who is really fat like a ball and trains in martial arts has a better chance of winning fights then a fat guy like a ball who doesnt train in martial arts.
Now this does not bash Bujinkan. I just hope that guy gets in better shape as a teacher and role model for his students.Comment
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The reason you got called out is because you made an assumption of someone's fighting ability based on ONE PICTURE. I could look at the pictures of your website and assume that you are a 98 pound pencil-necked weakling who got into TKD in hopes that it will magically transform you into a 98 pound super macho master ass kicking machine. Like I said before, looks can be deceiving. It has been my experience that most martial arts masters tend to look more like the average grocery store clerk than a muscle bound Arnould Schwartzenegger looking commando ass kicking machine. I hate to say it but that is the typical McDojo marketing propaganda. Someone is selling you an idea of what they think a martial artist (or fighter) looks like.Originally posted by Andrew WAComment
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Originally posted by Andrew WA
Holy crap, that is some of the most pathetic BS spinning I've seen here in quite some time. Kid, you ain't never been in a bar in your life, and the only street altercation you've seen is when someone else's BigWheels bumped into yours. Sad,sad,sad 
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Look at his claim to his "fighting experience" from his website:Originally posted by jubaji Holy crap, that is some of the most pathetic BS spinning I've seen here in quite some time. Kid, you ain't never been in a bar in your life, and the only street altercation you've seen is when someone else's BigWheels bumped into yours. Sad,sad,sad
After the movie is over your friend will jump up on his feet and start going totally crazy and will kick you and punch at you and you will be like "Dude what the heck? Check out my Dragon Fist!" And he will be like "Oh that is so good, but check out my Karate kicks and Drunken Crab Ninjitsu!" And you will go buck wild and go outside and fight for hours and then go to some other friends and fight them too and the cycle will repeat until everyone of your friends is going crazy for martial arts movies and fighting!!!
A regular badass
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