If someone trains in bujinkan ninjutsu for 15 years how good shold he be?

[jubaji]

Look at his claim to his "fighting experience" from his website:

After the movie is over your friend will jump up on his feet and start going totally crazy and will kick you and punch at you and you will be like "Dude what the heck? Check out my Dragon Fist!" And he will be like "Oh that is so good, but check out my Karate kicks and Drunken Crab Ninjitsu!" And you will go buck wild and go outside and fight for hours and then go to some other friends and fight them too and the cycle will repeat until everyone of your friends is going crazy for martial arts movies and fighting!!!

A regular badass

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LOL

[Jeremy Lobdell]

And what idiot would be going into bars and trashy places with the scum of the earth anyway?? .

Someone 21 or older. In other words, NOT YOU!

[Miran]

Koto,have you got my message,yet?

[koto_ryu]

Now only someone completely stupid like I just said is going to bother going into a dirty bar in the first place and get into a fight.

You can get a fight in a clean bar. Or a grocery store. Or out on the street where you just had a car accident with somebody. It happens all over. Sure, it's more likely in the bar atmosphere (I still prefer seedy bars though, the prices are a lot cheaper and it's a more colorful and interesting atmosphere) but it can happen anywhere.

Also the octagon was just a marketing ploy for BJJ and most of the fighters who fuaght these brawler types sucked anyway and it shows in their matches. When Tank Abbot got his fattass beat by HUGE knee kicks by a muy thai guy it kind of shows you a physically fit trained martial artist can kick a bar brawlers ass pretty easy.

Think about what he did though: he had to use the range and the width of the Octagon to make Tank follow him around where he would hunt and peck with his kicks. Think you can use a whole lot of range when you're in a crowded club or in a tight alleyway? I think if more of those would have been bar fights, Tank would have had the upper hand as that was his element. They wouldn't be able to manuver as well around, or in that case, even kick that well if they were wearing restrictive clothing (I've seen many a martial artist try for a high kick wearing baggy jeans and end up losing their balance).

Now this does not bash Bujinkan. I just hope that guy gets in better shape as a teacher and role model for his students.

So just because he's overweight you think he's a poor teacher and role model? Please Just because he doesn't resemble the skinny 18th-black belt champion point fighter with the multicolored gi and the Coors logo on the back he's a poor fighter, teacher, and person? I'd hate to be as shallow as you. Must be tough finding dates if you expect them all to look like Jenna Jameson and all you're attracting are Martha Stewarts

[koto_ryu]

Also forgot to mention: what about the big Hawaiian dude that Tank first taught that was trained in lua lua (bone breaking) and Tank smashed him so hard it gave the guy a seizure? There's a good example of a bar brawler kicking the shit out of a trained martial artist.

[Andrew WA]

You people are idiots. The only reason you are defending fat in the martial arts is because you belong to the bujinkahn and you think you have to protect it. What a joke. You people are just stupid guys who had ninja fanatasies in the 80's and now think you can live it out, even though the nujinkahn seems to be a legitamate martial art, except for the fact it allows some fat guy who probably cant run for more then 2 mins straight to be a master.

I have been in real street altercations but if you dont believe me then oh well. And I have been in bars before, just not seedy ones.

You guys also dont have a sense of humor and my website is a joke and I have a weird hyper active imagination and joke around. So basically when someone goofs off and has some fun and acts like a kid you think he is therefore immature and has no valid opinion. And you havn;t even seen an upclose picture of me. I havnt seen even one picture of any of you. Maybe its because you are all fat and dont want to be made fun of.

And the UFC is not the ultimate explanation of what martial arts are good and what are bad and what fighters are good and are bad. But everyone knows its better to be IN SHAPE then a fat beer bellied slob rolling around with a stick acting all ninja like.

Even though Samo Hung is a fat guy and can really fly around, it is just a movie and even he and his friends probably agree that if he was toned down and in shape he would be even better.

[koto_ryu]

You people are idiots. The only reason you are defending fat in the martial arts is because you belong to the bujinkahn and you think you have to protect it. What a joke. You people are just stupid guys who had ninja fanatasies in the 80's and now think you can live it out, even though the nujinkahn seems to be a legitamate martial art, except for the fact it allows some fat guy who probably cant run for more then 2 mins straight to be a master.

#1, he's only a Yodan, he's not even officially a Shidoshi yet. He doesn't need to be a McDojo guy and say he's a master at anything to attract students, the fact that what he teaches is the real deal is all that matters. I guarantee in a fight between him and some bigheaded TKDer, he's the one going to be standing by the end of it.

I have been in real street altercations but if you dont believe me then oh well. And I have been in bars before, just not seedy ones.

Yeah, those schoolyard fights are hardcore! So are when everybody kicks each other after kung fu movies! Mad props to you.

As for the bars, a fight can break out in any bar so just going to one is asking for trouble if that's how you really see it. I saw a fight break out at every club and bar I went to in the Gaslamp Quarter in LA, some of the fanciest damn places you'd ever see and there's always brawls when you mix alcohol, people, and tension.

upclose picture of me. I havnt seen even one picture of any of you. Maybe its because you are all fat and dont want to be made fun of.

It's true, I'm a total heffer Everything I eat runs straight to my thighs. These gi pants make my butt look big.

And the UFC is not the ultimate explanation of what martial arts are good and what are bad and what fighters are good and are bad. But everyone knows its better to be IN SHAPE then a fat beer bellied slob rolling around with a stick acting all ninja like.

So it's better to be skinny, put on funny headgear and shoes, and tap each other on the head and do all sorts of goofy, unapplicable kicks? They've been leading me on all along! It's obvious you lost this argument because you really have no idea of what real-life fighting is (as evidenced by the fact you think a skinny guy can just keep circling around a big guy to take him down when eventually that same big dude is gonna be pissed and throw your boney ass to the ground). Am I saying it's better to be fat? Nope, I'm just saying it's inexperience and foolishness that lets you judge someone based on mere looks alone.

Same thing happened to Dempsey when he was in his fading years. He was fat and a drunk by the end of his years, and two tough punks thought it would be easy money to beat up the "weak fat guy" and take his bills. Two quick punches later, the guys are on the ground seeing birds circling around. Gene LeBell is a pudgy old guy, but he can still tap out or out-wrestle any mofo out there, I'd bet my life savings on it. Joe Lewis has a good-sized potbelly nowadays but he'd still be able to kick the crap out of any schmuck that really tangled with him. If you didn't know who they were by reputation, you'd never think about them laying somebody out or choking the hell out of them. Hence you're making foolish (and very dangerous) assumptions.

I believe now this is where the videogaming fans would say 'PWNED!'

[medic06]

You people are idiots. The only reason you are defending fat in the martial arts is because you belong to the bujinkahn and you think you have to protect it. What a joke. You people are just stupid guys who had ninja fanatasies in the 80's and now think you can live it out, even though the nujinkahn seems to be a legitamate martial art, except for the fact it allows some fat guy who probably cant run for more then 2 mins straight to be a master.

I have been in real street altercations but if you dont believe me then oh well. And I have been in bars before, just not seedy ones.

You guys also dont have a sense of humor and my website is a joke and I have a weird hyper active imagination and joke around. So basically when someone goofs off and has some fun and acts like a kid you think he is therefore immature and has no valid opinion. And you havn;t even seen an upclose picture of me. I havnt seen even one picture of any of you. Maybe its because you are all fat and dont want to be made fun of.

And the UFC is not the ultimate explanation of what martial arts are good and what are bad and what fighters are good and are bad. But everyone knows its better to be IN SHAPE then a fat beer bellied slob rolling around with a stick acting all ninja like.

Even though Samo Hung is a fat guy and can really fly around, it is just a movie and even he and his friends probably agree that if he was toned down and in shape he would be even better.

The only thing I know about bujinkan is what I"ve read (like on this forum). I do know there are some fatsos out there that could problably bust up 95% of the people out there while eating a big, fat mayonnaise laced subway sandwich and drinking a 40 once of malt liquor.

[Tom Yum]

I do know there are some fatsos out there that could problably bust up 95% of the people out there while eating a big, fat mayonnaise laced subway sandwich and drinking a 40 once of malt liquor...

...with or without the paper sack?

[Garland]

The only thing I know about bujinkan is what I"ve read (like on this forum). I do know there are some fatsos out there that could problably bust up 95% of the people out there while eating a big, fat mayonnaise laced subway sandwich and drinking a 40 once of malt liquor.

OH SHIT!
my bad. That wuz you? Damn, man, I sorry, thanks fo not pressin' dem charges, k' sweet?
Hey man...not my fault I take "big pimpin'" a little too literal...shiiiit.

[medic06]

...with or without the paper sack?

With of course. I naked 40oz. is considered bad taste. . .

[medic06]

OH SHIT!
my bad. That wuz you? Damn, man, I sorry, thanks fo not pressin' dem charges, k' sweet?
Hey man...not my fault I take "big pimpin'" a little too literal...shiiiit.

HUH BRUH

[Andrew WA]

You bujinkahn guys are some of the most fattassed idiots full of total bullshit about martial arts ive ever seen and know nothing about real fighting except your slow motion ninja fantasy one steps.

Also you know nothing about TKD, and you know very well that mcdojangs dont count. I dont need to prove how tough I am, because im not claiming to be a teacher in a movie on the internet supporting a martial arts school. I also dont need to prove what kind of fights ive been in and ive never been in a schoolyard fight.

Go ahead in our fantasy steven k hayes world with ninjas and swords and crazy shadow invisible techniques and believe that a fat dude who goes against a lean fit skilled fighter can win because he practices the ANCIENT art of the sacred ninjas!

[Hikage]

You bujinkahn guys are some of the most fattassed idiots full of total bullshit about martial arts ive ever seen and know nothing about real fighting except your slow motion ninja fantasy one steps.

Also you know nothing about TKD, and you know very well that mcdojangs dont count. I dont need to prove how tough I am, because im not claiming to be a teacher in a movie on the internet supporting a martial arts school. I also dont need to prove what kind of fights ive been in and ive never been in a schoolyard fight.

Go ahead in our fantasy steven k hayes world with ninjas and swords and crazy shadow invisible techniques and believe that a fat dude who goes against a lean fit skilled fighter can win because he practices the ANCIENT art of the sacred ninjas!

Do they have TKD schools that are not McDojo's? Just the other day, I saw one where you could pull up to this window, and they will teach you how to do a spinning roundhouse wheel kick from the driver's seat. Then they give you a big mac with extra sauce and away you go. Only $4.99.

-Hikage

Bottom line --> TKD for sport = not for street use. You will die.

[medic06]

Ninjutsu v. Bujinkan. . . .

I wonder who would win