Is ninjitsu a respectable style?

[medic06]

Do you remember "Hacksaw" Jim Duggan...

He carried a 2 x 4 and an American flag into the ring. Everone thought the 2 x 4 was ok, because he was a good guy...lol.

I was more of a Junk Yard Dawg fan. He carried a heavy chain in at first, then he got a legitimate dog collar.

"another one bites the dust"

[Cobra_nVidia]

I dunno, I never hit a guy in the mouth so hard his lower lip got stuck between his bottom teeth. Don't think too many other people nowadays have either.

The fact you punch hard does not prove that SPORT boxing is better than street fighting, or bare-knuckled fighting. That's like arguing a flintlook is better than a M4 because you can kill someone with it. It's great to be good at punching. It's even better to learn a method that increases your punching power.

I'll simply quote my post, which you already posted.

Centerline strikes are cannon for punching in Karate, Gong Fu, and English Boxing. But these people are fools, of course. These bare-knuckled fighters didn't know as much as you do about punching.

EDIT: Wait a minute, WTF?!? You want credit for getting the lip through the teeth?

[koto_ryu]

The fact you punch hard does not prove that SPORT boxing is better than street fighting, or bare-knuckled fighting.

Never knew streetfighting was its own style But if you've ever been in any, you know some of the best fighters on the street incorporate boxing into their arsenal, as it's the most effective way to punch and produces the quickest knockouts.

That's like arguing a flintlook is better than a M4 because you can kill someone with it.

If that's the case, why do a TMA when RBSD courses are out there and teach the same things? Because a lot of the time, stuff was better back in the old days. Nobody can punch even close to the likes of Dempsey, Johnson, Moore, or Marciano nowadays.

It's great to be good at punching. It's even better to learn a method that increases your punching power.

So why not learn the techniques of the old-time boxers who could break bones with their punches then?

EDIT: Wait a minute, WTF?!? You want credit for getting the lip through the teeth?

I was making a historical reference, not looking for credit. In the short version, one of the old-timers who was never even a champ hit one of his opponents so hard the lower portion of his lip got wedged in between his lower teeth. His corner merely cut it during his one minute break and the two kept fighting.

[Half-Asleep]

did anyone notice there was only 3 posts on the topic of this b4 it just got into one big fight?

crosstrainedwar there is nothing evil about ninjutsu, there is however a lot of ppl out there trying to teach you to be some superhuman ninja who can fly and magically disappear and will pedal you a whole heap of crap. If you want you can go in and check it out but just make sure that your not a load of bull plop b4 u get to into it. If you can't find n e where decent locally to u i would suggest doing some form of jujitsu instead, there are many similarities between the two and u will find that there are a lot less ppl out there making up some flashy crap and selling it as jujitsu as there are with ninjutsu, But that sed as a former practitioner of Genbukan ninjutsu i think u should at least check it out.

[Cobra_nVidia]

Never knew streetfighting was its own style But if you've ever been in any, you know some of the best fighters on the street incorporate boxing into their arsenal, as it's the most effective way to punch and produces the quickest knockouts.

If sport boxing (i.e. based on the teachings of the gloved sport, not the english, chinese, japanese, or okinawan methods) is so effective, why is it so different from the methods taught in bare-knuckle boxing (i.e. pre-1750's) that had 1000's of years of training under "resisting partners"?

If that's the case, why do a TMA when RBSD courses are out there and teach the same things? Because a lot of the time, stuff was better back in the old days. Nobody can punch even close to the likes of Dempsey, Johnson, Moore, or Marciano nowadays.

Centerline punching is more "old days" than anything you'll see in the ring.

So why not learn the techniques of the old-time boxers who could break bones with their punches then?

I'm getting confused (honestly, not sarcastic)
I'm telling you that the centerline punch of English, Chinese, Greek (ancient), and Okinawan boxing is more effective than the boxing methods used in the ring today. I'm not arguing that we should all put on pajamas, yell, and learn punching by swinging in thin air. I'm talking about using a punch that keeps your head protected from most swings.

[koto_ryu]

I'm getting confused (honestly, not sarcastic)
I'm telling you that the centerline punch of English, Chinese, Greek (ancient), and Okinawan boxing is more effective than the boxing methods used in the ring today. I'm not arguing that we should all put on pajamas, yell, and learn punching by swinging in thin air. I'm talking about using a punch that keeps your head protected from most swings.

Well for starters, the Greeks swung big looping roundhouses, not that effective to be honest. Most linear punching came from sword fighting. And English boxing (which boxing is based off of today) incorporated far more than just centerline punching. You need to brush up on some history before you go making comments like that, as the majority of all boxing techniques around nowadays are only a few hundred years old, nowhere near thousands.

Any punch you throw is going to leave you open to a counterpunch, there's no possible way you can throw a punch and defend off any punch thrown at you at the same time.

[jcmack]

However, there are ways to punch so that you can't get hit by your attacker.

[koto_ryu]

However, there are ways to punch so that you can't get hit by your attacker.

Exactly. Hit him from behind, hit him while someone else holds him, or get his back and hit him that way.

[Tom Yum]

I was more of a Junk Yard Dawg fan. He carried a heavy chain in at first, then he got a legitimate dog collar.

"another one bites the dust"

Mid-south-wrassslin'???

KAMALA, the Ugandan giant managed by Friday and Gen. Skandar Akbar

[sojobow]

I would like to start learning ninjitsu. However, due to its reputation of being used for evil purposes, I am afraid that my current instructor would have an unfavorable opinion of me for wanting to study it. I am not intersted in espionage or assassination, so could studying ninnjitsu ruin my reputation or cause my current instructors to discontinue teaching me? Thanks in advance.

If you are not interested in espionage, subterfuge, assassination, deception etc., you won't be interested in Ninjitsu. Not for hobbyist.

[sirmattu]

lol, you make it sounds evil...................

[medic06]

Mid-south-wrassslin'???

KAMALA, the Ugandan giant managed by Friday and Gen. Skandar Akbar

Amazing bit of trivia, both KAMALA and JYD (before he died) live down here in Louisiana.

[Tom Yum]

Amazing bit of trivia, both KAMALA and JYD (before he died) live down here in Louisiana.

I bet Gen. Skandar Akbar doesn't... . Ever meet Jake the Snake? He seemed like a pretty cool guy.

[medic06]

I bet Gen. Skandar Akbar doesn't... . Ever meet Jake the Snake? He seemed like a pretty cool guy.

Nope, but I did see JYD in Bennigan's like 2 weeks before he died.

[koto_ryu]

I've got you all beat. Bruno Sam Martino lives no more than a five-minute walk from me Which embarassingly I did not know until the day of WWE Royal Rumble