Shorinji Kempo Video

[Thai Bri]

But how many of them would "demo" by having the attacker come at them like a robot that freezes whilst the attack is applied and then jumps about on purpose?

[Tom Yum]

Bri has a point.

The techniques are done at good speed and the attackers seem to commit atleast 60%, but when the master's back is turned is when he is vulnerable.

Still he could have fended off one of the attackers with a back kick and use the guy he's holding onto as a shield to distance the others.

That's my 2 pesos .

[mthand]

A demo is used to show the audience techniques and applications. Same as when being demonstrated in class. The dummys(robots) will only commit enough so that the practitioner can show its application in a speed where everyone can see and understand the technique. I have done many, many demos through the years, and I know that a lot of people dont believe that certain martial arts work because of demos such as this video. Just dont judge a book by its cover. Read the pages and pick up some knowledge and understanding of the art. Peace!!!!!!!!!

[shaolin-warrior]

I don't expect to see real life brawls. I expect to see realistic demos. There is a biiig difference and perfectly possible to do.

I'm just aghast that you do NOT expect to see realistic demos, and seem happy watching useless posing and fancy nonsense.

The problem with making kempo demonstations real is the outcome. Broken bones, lost eyes and ears, ruptured groins.

[shaolin-warrior]

Yeah, you can add real contact and force but in the end some things have to be ochestrated so in the end it will look just as fake. Or, you can have a exhibition match perhaps, maybe that's what you are thinking of.

Kempo isn't a sport for points it is a system of self defense with one outcome, to hurt, cripple, or even kill your attacker. Even an exibition would be fake.

[Thai Bri]

The problem with making kempo demonstations real is the outcome. Broken bones, lost eyes and ears, ruptured groins.

Just try to pick a smaller and weaker guy in the audience to help you demo then. That way you won't get beaten up so much.

[Kimpatsu]

yea i'd never seen kempo myself, i was surprised by a couple of beautiful throws and that aikido like lock he put on one guy. this was some kind of kata though right? does kempo do any training like Kyokushin?
thanks for the clip

No, we don't. Briefly, Shorinji Kempo divides into four sections: Goho, which comprises karate-type kicking, punching and blocking, Juho, which comprises throws, locks, holds/pins and breakfalls, Seiho, which comprises acupressure massage and first aid, and Howa, which comprises philosophy and strategy (i.e., is academic study). All four strands should be woven together fluidly to create the full art.
HTH.

[Kimpatsu]

I trained briefly in SK and its pretty much all choreographed. No free sparring as its used as a moving meditation form for the flow

This isn't true; we have plenty of free sparring. We also, however, have embu, which is the creation of a choreographed fight sequence with a partner or partners as a means of training. You can't just throw in any old technique; you have to create hokei kumi embu, or "true form pair embu"; i.e., each technique must be a genuine one you have studied, rather than a move you nicked from a film because you liked it.

[Kimpatsu]

I don't have first hand knowledge of Shaolin Kempo, but I train in American Kenpo and have previously trained in a Chinese/Tracy's modified Kenpo variation and Freestyle/Sparring is one third (33%) of both systems.
BASICS - 1/3
SELF-DEFENSE - 1/3
FREESTYLE OR SPARRING - 1/3

There are many styles of Kenpo which all share a common lineage,
see this link:
http://www.stanford.edu/group/kenpo/kenpo-faq.html#Tree

Don't confuse Shorinji Kempo (which is a specific Japanese art) with "Shaoilin Kempo" (I find that name strange, because it mixes Japanese and Chinese. Are you sure you don't mean "Shaolin Chuan'fa"?) Not also that in Shorinji Kempo, "Kempo" is spelled with an "m", like "shimbun".

[Kimpatsu]

I like the video. Although people may think that it looks to choreographed. What do you think, its a demonstration, not a real fight.

It's a demonstration at the Japan Festival in London, UK, about four years ago.

[Darkoato]

What's the most effective/deadliest style of kempo?

to break bones and shit

[Kimpatsu]

What's the most effective/deadliest style of kempo?

to break bones and shit

But that doesn't explain anything. It's semantically redundant, like saying "There is rain because it's raining". Could you be more explicit, Donny?

[Darkoato]

How hard is it to understand that?

What is the most effective style of kempo?

I can name at least 2 spinoffs of ninjutsu, but when it really boils down to which is the most effective one, I'd have to go with the only true one of the three: bujinkan

There are different forms of karate, and I'm assuming the same thing with kempo.

So what's the most effective one? (I'm talking about combat fighting, not the whole enlightenment while living your daily life routine. I get enough of that in ninjutsu)

[Kimpatsu]

How hard is it to understand that?

What is the most effective style of kempo?

I can name at least 2 spinoffs of ninjutsu, but when it really boils down to which is the most effective one, I'd have to go with the only true one of the three: bujinkan

There are different forms of karate, and I'm assuming the same thing with kempo.

So what's the most effective one? (I'm talking about combat fighting, not the whole enlightenment while living your daily life routine. I get enough of that in ninjutsu)

Your assumption is incorrect, in that the different forms of karate are not examples of divergent evolution from a common source, but a large group of schools that originated independently of each other. The word "kempo" simply means "fist way", and there are many different arts that use the term, none of which have any connection with or bear any resemblance to each other.
Further, there are no true ninjutsu schools today; ninjutsu was a medieval system of assassination that died out along with the Samurai during the Meiji Restoration.

[Darkoato]

Ok, so what's a good/reliable/known form of kenpo?