Karate Useless?

[ciscodog]

ok my 2 cents worth, Im working out at a Shorin Ryu dojo. Now we do have full contact sparring, along with kata, sets, etc. I grew up Thai boxing for 15 years, and the Karate school was a big change. Not all techniques work the same for people, why you ask, because people are diffrent sizes, weight, power etc. One thing we preach is that you cant fight in a traditional stance. There is a night and day diffrence between forms and fighting. I still prefer my Thai roundhouse vs the shorin ryu but will practice what is being taught that day, and when it comes time for our smokers, switch back to what i prefer. No one style has all the answers and everything can be countered. It is up to the person to decide what wil work best for them in a given situation, be it Thai, Shorin Ryu, BJJ, etc. In my expeirenc if the rules are strictly stand up, the Karate folks will whip a BJJ student, but if its a ground fight the BJJ will have the advantage unless the Karate student is wise enough to realize that his style is not the answer, but rather one peice in a puzzle, and has mde a point to learn takedowns, sprawling etc. Chuck Liddell is a great example of knowing lots but using what works for him.

[kurt_myers0369]

Once again meaningless drivel... Why dont you run along now child? You don't contribute anything. Pathetic.

[jubaji]

Yes....

Who and what style does he do..

LOL

Ok, kid. Run along now.

[Slavez3ro]

Are you really serious?

Yes....

Who and what style does he do..

[GranFire]

If you are in need of defense against multiple attackers you need to move and rethink your life startegy.

[kurt_myers0369]

Ive said this before and I'll say it again... I love Muay Thai and BJJ, but if you want to learn a MA strictly for self-defense in real-life situations, go with a weapon-based filipino style, ie. atienza or sayoc kali, and carry a blade. Their techniques are simply devastating, even against multiple attackers. (check out the vids on atienza kali's website)

[jubaji]

Who would u say has something else that is so special and Good that u get bored when i mention Steven.

Are you really serious?

[Slavez3ro]

???????????

Somebody never switched off their TV back in the 80s and went outside for fresh air.

Who would u say has something else that is so special and Good that u get bored when i mention Steven.

[GranFire]

I love these arguments...which is better in a street fight...

Probably a gun and a truck...really.

OK, having said that...

The benefits of practicing Martial Arts on a regular basis in terms of self defense is that you get toned and in shape. You do practice to hit people and you get hit (sometimes hurt) int he process. That gives you a greater chance not to freeze in a dangerous situation. Besides, it gives person a different Aura, they carry themselfs in a different manner, making them not as likely to become a victim.

IMHO it does not matter too much what you do, as long as you enjoy enough to work hard on it.

[jubaji]

???????????

Somebody never switched off their TV back in the 80s and went outside for fresh air.

[Slavez3ro]

Its impossible to master martial arts. You will always have something you need to improve and things you are good at. So you shouldnt call your sensei or teacher a master because they need to improve too. Nobody is perfect. And nobody has ever mastered martial arts.

You are right and i agree i am not saying he is invincible but u must be pretty good and well conditione to be the man when he is there.
Sorry if some okes feel that he is a wimp or something similar but i watch that dvd of the time he was in Japan spectacular i say..

The path beyond thought

[jubaji]

Take the top ranked okes i would like to use Steven Seagal as an example i am not sure he is in shape but if he is and he walks in some dojo whatever style he will be respected not for what they think of him or the movies but everybody knows he can do what he says he can..
Argue that one with prove pls.

"Steven Seagal"?! You're kidding, right?

[Slavez3ro]

I think the big problem between ppl making their voice heard is that the ones that speak is the ones that is not good at a style..
The reason i say so is because if u ask your Master if this style is better than that style u would be amased at the answer, because u think because low rank fighters gets beaten between each other the styles is crappy.

U okes are so wrong.
Take the top ranked okes i would like to use Steven Seagal as an example i am not sure he is in shape but if he is and he walks in some dojo whatever style he will be respected not for what they think of him or the movies but everybody knows he can do what he says he can..
Argue that one with prove pls.

[Buttfly]

Dudes why the crap argue besides seeing who is wiser Dont be mad at me and think im an idiot well do what you want i dont control anyone anyway im sure i got a dumb side to me its called my carnal self and my conceptually trys to compensate in some foolish ways and i got nothin agenst self defence and fun well this was a waste of time seeya later guys

[Yu Law]

In a way, a martial art shouldn't be about fighting. It should be about protecting yourself and others. People have this wrong idea about MA these days and it could largely be due to fight/MMA tournaments.

Martial arts weren't created so people could step into an octagon and beat the shit out of each other. That isn't the true martial way anyway.

So anyway, Karate is not useless. Even the not-so-respected Shotokan is good when trained right. There is no useless style, only useless practitioners and teachers.

Lot of UFC fanatics respond to that by saying, "Losers who can't fight say that to make themselves feel better".

That = pure ignorance and stupidity.

Shotokan is what Van Damme did/does, y is it not respected?

And the problem with takign any traditional martial art to be better at defendign yourself and knwoign how to "fight", is that it takes years and years of practice to be a good fighter.

Pple generally do not have th epatience to be black belts etc....

If you are willing to spend many years to be good, any martial art is a good choice, as long as u stick to it and practice.

This is y a lot of pple r opting for the MMA/UFC fast track, b/c they dont want any of the traditional of martial arts and just want the fightign aspect.

Muay Thai is very good for self defence and although it has tradition and culture, many of the fighters in thai land do it for a livign and the matches they fight literally decide if they eat or not, that is y Muay Thai is so effective, don't knwo how they teach it in NA, but they train to fight and beign good doesnt take 10 years.

Sorry if i osund like a 5 year old, with my grammar but im in a rush, i swear im no SPED.