"ninjas"

[jubaji]

Hey if you havent been personally instructed in the art of ninjutsu by the teenage mutant ninja turtles :

Again displaying your great familiarity with cartoons. You must be very proud.

[WonderingTaoist]

Again displaying your great familiarity with cartoons. You must be very proud.

I have kids who used to watch them. I never realized how useful that time spent was going to be in dealing with morons like you. As SUN TZU SAID, "KNOW YOUR ENEMY."

[jubaji]

I have kids who used to watch them.

Good thing you had someone to explain them for you.

[WonderingTaoist]

Good thing you had someone to explain them for you.

As I said we cant all train with the great masters Just kidding of course...Cause u da man! Whatever, Rick Flair. ooh 25 years of watching professional wrestling and drinking pabst blue ribbon--yeah, run that mouth internet tough guy .

[jubaji]

...Cause u da man! Whatever, Rick Flair. ooh 25 years of watching professional wrestling and drinking pabst blue ribbon--yeah, run that mouth internet tough guy .

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[Hikage]

But they only taught home-ec and small engine repair.

The ninja practice political correctness and currently prefer "Family and Consumer Science" and "Size-Challenged Motor Improvement."

For the record I have not, do not, and will not ever refer to myself or any other ninjitsu practitioner as "ninja." That sort of terminology only invites ridicule and brings images even to my own head of pathetic wannabees.

-Hikage

[koto_ryu]

The ninja practice political correctness and currently prefer "Family and Consumer Science" and "Size-Challenged Motor Improvement."

For the record I have not, do not, and will not ever refer to myself or any other ninjitsu practitioner as "ninja." That sort of terminology only invites ridicule and brings images even to my own head of pathetic wannabees.

-Hikage

Fo' real! Dat mah ninja right there, no doubt!

[sojobow]

600 A.D. is the oldest known school related to the ninja arts.

do you happen to remember the name of this school? good info. Particularly looking for a name that included "Koga Tengu Family" or something to that effect circa 950 a.d..

[koto_ryu]

do you happen to remember the name of this school? good info. Particularly looking for a name that included "Koga Tengu Family" or something to that effect circa 950 a.d..

It's Gyokko Ryu, originally from China from Yo/Cho Gyokko, who may be either a man or a woman impersonating one. Most Koga ryus came about in the feudal era, around 1400 A.D. but despite what many people think, Iga/Koga ryuha is not the oldest of ninja arts.

[HtTKar]

I do not take ninjitsu, so I might be wrong, but here is the information I have gathered on what ninja may have been. Remember reading Japanese/Samurai history is like reading Sicilian mafioso history.

During fuedal Japan there were Samaria as everyone knows. The Mongols tried to invade japan, and every Samurai got together to stop them. This made a lot of families poor, as they had to pay for their own equipment. It was tradition that the winner would take the spoils, however there were none. Since this was the first time the Samurai from all of Japan had joined together, The Bakufu decided that he would let these poor people keep their land, and write off all of their debts and taxes, but this actually made it worse. Noone would lend them any cash thinking the government would just write it off again.

These samurai needed money so they started working for the temples and local warlords. Temples used to war against each other, and the emperor to gain wealth. The temples had tons of cash and hired bodyguards called the Sohei (warrior monks). These guys were mostly temple employees and refugees, not really monks. This was late Heian period. there was also another goup or sectarians called the Yamabushi. Followers of En-no-gyoja. They were a buddhist sect that lived in seclusion in the mountian ranges, and travelled mountianous routes all over Japan. Because they offered a means of underground communication they were hired by provincial warlords (Not the Shogun as said earlier) and acted as couriers. Some of the Yamabushi became professional spies known as ninja. Neither sohei nor yamabushi were considered samurai, eventhough some later became samurai.

taken from here

http://www.onmarkproductions.com/html/holy-mountains-sacred-shrines.html

The yamabushi (ninja) did not begin to exist until ~700ad. It wasn't until probably late 1500s that yamabushi became warriors...ninja as we think of them today.

[sojobow]

It's Gyokko Ryu, originally from China from Yo/Cho Gyokko, who may be either a man or a woman impersonating one.

May not be a Ninpo/Ninjutsu school. May have originated in china circa Tang Dynaster era of 600-700 years earlier and via Korea.

Most Koga ryus came about in the feudal era, around 1400 A.D. but despite what many people think, Iga/Koga ryuha is not the oldest of ninja arts.

Iga/Kogo ryuha not being the oldest of ninja arts is quite interesting. Some say Korea's Sulsa may be older but that is a arguement I'll leave to those studying the Korean and Japanese Ninja systems. Would like to know of someone other than Koga/Iga having an older ninja art. Especially if we can agree on the semantics.

[white_belt]

im currently learning ninja-do(ninjitsu)n the teacher showed us a photo of flying kick whick is so cool n might teach us stealth walking

[sojobow]

Some of the Yamabushi became professional spies known as ninja. Neither sohei nor yamabushi were considered samurai, eventhough some later became samurai.

taken from here

http://www.onmarkproductions.com/html/holy-mountains-sacred-shrines.html

The yamabushi (ninja) did not begin to exist until ~700ad. It wasn't until probably late 1500s that yamabushi became warriors...ninja as we think of them today.

I'm really not sure if anyone knows or can articulate, what a "ninja" actually was, who they were or what it is they practiced. They are real strange animals. So much verbal history conflict with so very little written history. Then you have a language that can be interpreted many different ways.

[HtTKar]

Some say Korea's Sulsa may be older but that is a arguement I'll leave to those studying the Korean and Japanese Ninja systems.

That would be interesting and at the same time make some sense. During the 6th and 7th century there were many wars on Korea, and japans Kyoto involved itself in these wars. After Mimana fell in 562, and Paekche dynasty fell in 660 many people from Korea took refuge in Japan. Many of these koreans raised the mongolian horses. These japanese horses were called Kiso Koma, and now only live in small pockets in the mountians. The Japanese have given up their horses for European bloodlines.

japanese Central Alps were called (Kiso-koma-ga-dake). I am assuming the horses got their name from these mountians, or visa-versa

And the Yamabushi lived in seclusion in the mountian ranges, and travelled mountianous routes all over Japan.

I know its a stretch to put together. But it would be easy to say that the Koreans came to the Central Alps of Japan with their horses, some lived secluded in the mountians retaining thier old ways and traditions, and later became buddhist yamabushi/ninjas living a life of secrecy.

[koto_ryu]

May not be a Ninpo/Ninjutsu school. May have originated in china circa Tang Dynaster era of 600-700 years earlier and via Korea.

It's actually supposedly related to An Ch'i, though none of it came from Korea. China has had a heavy influence on ninjutsu throughout the years, many of the strategies, some of the strikes, and even firework construction plans the ninja used are very Chinese.

Iga/Kogo ryuha not being the oldest of ninja arts is quite interesting. Some say Korea's Sulsa may be older but that is a arguement I'll leave to those studying the Korean and Japanese Ninja systems. Would like to know of someone other than Koga/Iga having an older ninja art. Especially if we can agree on the semantics.

The sulsa's pretty old as well, from what I know of them. Iga/Koga ryuha are just the most well-documented, having worked closely with the government for so long. There are many many other ryuha that we know of, and probably many more we have no clue about.