Mas Oyama vs Helio Gracie(in their primes)

[Garland]

My second favourite? The old "killed a man with one punch!" line. As if that doesn't happen in pub fights around the world.

Yeah...so.

[Thai Bri]

A precarious line indeed.

My own favourtie misargument here is the citing of people with proven records as somehow validating those who have none.

Incredible.

My second favourite? The old "killed a man with one punch!" line. As if that doesn't happen in pub fights around the world.

[Garland]

How far beyond the pale can you get?

I'ma cooking somethin' up.

[Garland]

hugging the nut of anyone who was not a saint, national leader, or champion of something that bettered humanity.

I can think of a number of pleasent and unpleasent things that involve my testicles...hugging them falls in the latter category. If flicking them hurts...hugging sounds pretty damned painful. And that is why I'm a proponent of having a safeword in SM encounters.

skeet skeet

[Garland]

So now you are comparing a judoka and a karateka with Jesus Christ?

Good luck with the new religion.

Who said anything about religion? I was refering to Biggie Smalls.

As for Jesus, sure, I guess I'll compare him to a karateka for ya....
Oyama was good at party tricks too. Just think, get Jesus to turn water into wine, and Oyama can pop the tops off the bottles of the good shit we got in back.

[jubaji]

Even funnier that you tried to dodge the implication!

Funnier still that it applies to you more than probably anyone around here!

[Uke]

LOL, that's funny coming from you.

Even funnier that you tried to dodge the implication!

[jubaji]

Maybe this impulse is a side-effect of atheism.

[jubaji]

Its the men who have never aspired to work hard enough to achieve that level of excellence that would mistake admiration as worship.

LOL, that's funny coming from you.

[jubaji]

IF it's sickening...we just passed a big holiday where billions of people mourned the loss of their hero, whom they worship...most on a weekly basis. Are those people sickening?.

So now you are comparing a judoka and a karateka with Jesus Christ?

How far beyond the pale can you get?

Good luck with the new religion. You can use pUke as your first sacrificial virgin.

[jubaji]

hiding your own self-esteem behind a false front

Define your constructs...what do you mean by hero-worshipping?

I mean going beyond recognizing a person's accomplishments or even attempting to follow their example and emulate them to invoking their name like some kind of magic talisman, using them as an example of some kind of super-human that justifies any claim you could not otherwise, and generally hugging the nut of anyone who was not a saint, national leader, or champion of something that bettered humanity.

[Uke]

I admire Tim Deboom, back to back Iron Man champion, but I don't worship him.

I admire Lance Armstrong, seven consecutive time Tour de France Champion, but I don't worship him.

I admire Jack Johnson, who had fought for 26 rounds for the world title, but I don't worship him.

I admire Masahiko Kimura, who completed the two hundred man throwing, won 3 consecutive All Japan Championships, and threw Helio Gracie like a rag doll, almost choking him unconscious before breaking his arm in route to a win, but I don't worship him.

I admire Mas Oyama, who completed the 300 man kumite, fought undefeated in 270 no holds barred matches in which none lasted 3 minutes, fought bulls and could kill man with one punch, but I don't worship him.

How do you reason with men who think that too much admiration for these men is worship?

You don't.

[Uke]

The line between admiring someone and pretty sickening hero-worship is a fine and precarious one.

Its the men who have never aspired to work hard enough to achieve that level of excellence that would mistake admiration as worship.

[Garland]

The line between admiring someone and pretty sickening hero-worship is a fine and precarious one.

Define your constructs...what do you mean by hero-worshipping?
Were these men not pioneers and legends in their fields? Aren't they admirable? Don't some of their characteristics make them suitable role models (granted their not saints)? Aren't their work ethic and their accomplishments something to aspire to?

Do you not have any personal "heros"? Did you growing up?
Isn't their somebody, or a group of people who you admire for something and want to strive to be like?

IF it's sickening...we just passed a big holiday where billions of people mourned the loss of their hero, whom they worship...most on a weekly basis. Are those people sickening?

What about people in a particular type of work, who model themselves or look up to a predecessor?

You guys are being too vague. So far I don't see anyone praying to Oyama or Kimura on this thread, nor do I think anyone has a shrine set up all "swimfan"-esque.

[jubaji]

The line between admiring someone and pretty sickening hero-worship is a fine and precarious one.