More newaza. Combination technique

[Hardball]

Wasn't the guy screaming? Do verbal submissions not count in BJJ tournaments?

I think that was a Judo Tourney.

[Tant01]

I think that was a Judo Tourney.

It's the Gi...

BJJ really is JUDO. LOL

[Hardball]

It's the Gi...

BJJ really is JUDO. LOL

Newaza that is!! BJJ spends much more time perfecting ground techniques. I still prefer Judo/JJJ.

[Hardball]

Oh. Still, do verbal submissions count? The guy sounded like he was hollering all the way over.

He is supposed to hollar the word Matee!!! I agree with Dick. At the Black Belt level, cranking his arm was legit. Plus it happened so fast, the ref didn't have time to intervene.

[Tant01]

No one said he should let go the hold... (hell NO!) but he don't need to make the man cry either....

There is something to be said for SPORTSMANSHIP at any level. ESPECIALLY that so called BLACK belt. The gung ho crank it fast and hard is fine if you don't like the guy. I still think there's a lesson here. Control? Patience? Submission Vs. Destruction? I'd like to know if the guy needed surgery to fix his elbow?

[Hardball]

There is something to be said for SPORTSMANSHIP at any level. ESPECIALLY that so called BLACK belt. The gung ho crank it fast and hard is fine if you don't like the guy. I still think there's a lesson here. Control? Patience? Submission Vs. Destruction? I'd like to know if the guy needed surgery to fix his elbow?

Dickhardman should be able to tell us if that was personal.

[DickHardman]

Dickhardman should be able to tell us if that was personal.

david has spoken about similar incidents in the past. this is actually a very common occurrence in judo/jiu jitsu matches at high levels, and especially in judo because it is so competitive. the reason you arent supposed to let go till the referee stops you is because if you release before the ref steps in, your opponent may be able to deny tapping out if the referee didnt get a clear view. this is why they hold on. people in these tournaments get injured regularly, mostly due to bad referees. also, i know for a fact that some people enjoy injuring their opponents on purpose. i had a very well known, and very accomplished judoka who coached the olympic team tell me str8 up that he has broken peoples arms in judo tournaments simply because he felt like it. make no mistake about it, competing in judo/jiu jitsu tournaments is dangerous. even at lower levels, we had a guy who trains with us get his arm broken completely in half from a bicep slicer instantly, that move isnt even allowed in jiu jitsu tournaments. the dude went into shock and was out of training for like a year. by entering a judo/jiu jitsu tournament you run a pretty decent risk of getting injured, thats the bottom line.

[Tant01]

Accidents WILL happen but if we don't PENALIZE these aggressive players it will hurt the whole sport. There is no reason for it other than starving egos... Piss poor show. Bad form. It doesn't take much to hurt folks. It takes much more to do it RIGHT. Play nice.

[DickHardman]

Accidents WILL happen but if we don't PENALIZE these aggressive players it will hurt the whole sport. There is no reason for it other than starving egos... Piss poor show. Bad form. It doesn't take much to hurt folks. It takes much more to do it RIGHT. Play nice.

play nice?? lol......yeah right.....tell that to the homie who had his arm fractured in half by a technique that wasnt even legal.

[Hardball]

Hey Tanto or Dick, what is the Japanese name for bicep slicer?

[Tant01]

Hey Tanto or Dick, what is the Japanese name for bicep slicer?

With your arms or your legs?

[DickHardman]

Hey Tanto or Dick, what is the Japanese name for bicep slicer?

sorry i dont know the japanese name. comes in a few variations. simplest way is to use it is on a guy who is defending an armbar.

this way here, super easy, crushes their bicep muscle and can break the arm.......one of those moves were the damage is done before you realize it....

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC82PZfAqY0[/YOUTUBE]

[Tant01]

It is known as the principle of asshu or assaku which means compression...

In judo such compression movements are considered 'hishigi', (hiji hishigi).

There is much debate about the legality of this hold and it is most often used to set up the straight arm lock.

[DickHardman]

It is known as the principle of asshu or assaku which means compression...

In judo such compression movements are considered 'hishigi', (hiji hishigi).

There is much debate about the legality of this hold and it is most often used to set up the straight arm lock.

i would use the armlock attempt as a setup for the bicep slicer. no need to armlock em if you can destroy their limb from right there as he is defending. the guy from my academy that had his arm broken wasnt a small guy either, he is well over 6 feet tall and he still went into shock from the injury. no need to even go for the armbar in real life, only for training.

[Tant01]

i would use the armlock attempt as a setup for the bicep slicer. no need to armlock em if you can destroy their limb from right there as he is defending. the guy from my academy that had his arm broken wasnt a small guy either, he is well over 6 feet tall and he still went into shock from the injury. no need to even go for the armbar in real life, only for training.

The IJF rules prohibit this form of hishigi used as a submission and most BJJ tournaments won't permit it in the lower ranks. For GOOD reason!