Karate - The Weakest Link ?

[CHOKE UK]

Chris lol

.......So I must announce.............
.........and still the heavy-weight defeated champoin of the world, at being the "WEAKEST-LINK" !!!
kKKKKKEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRAAAARRRRRTTTTTTEEEEEEE.

[Typhoon]

Not defendinng it but did you guys know that kickboxing originated from karate. Joe Lewis the champion of Kickboxign to this day first trained in karate(in okinawa) he was considered to be very deadly int eh ring. Just soemthign to think about

[neil]

strict martial codes

If you think all martial arts are rigid in their teachings check out BUJINKAN.

[akja]

a differant twist

I want to throw a twist out there.

Most of my years of training were in Karate. But I've spent the better part of this last decade in JKD and BJJ.

Given the fact the I started practicing when I was 13 in 1973 and my art is a blend of all of my experiences in the arts.

I almost feel obligated to call it Karate. Thats where the modernization comes in. Someone who spent a lot of time with something and then changes things from experiencing other influences does not mean a name changes is mandatory.

MY POINT: 1) You are classifying all Karate as traditional. 2) There are many great fighters who have come from traditional Karate. 3) Its no differant than a BJJ fighter thats enters into Vale Tudo. Vale Tudo is not BJJ. BJJ is an element that you will find in Vale Tudo but they are not one in the same.

So there really is no differance. It boils down to the fighter itself!

[akja]

Originally posted by CHOKE UK
Chris lol

.......So I must announce.............
.........and still the heavy-weight defeated champoin of the world, at being the "WEAKEST-LINK" !!!
kKKKKKEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRAAAARRRRRTTTTTTEEEEEEE.

Don't misunderstand me but your profile states "various."

What is various?

[Guest]

I think it means he is a cross dresser. His name is actually Cross UK, but he cannot spell very well. Guess what he said to the catch when his last bra strap broke?

"You are the weakest link, good-bye!"

[chris davis 200]

And I dare say the needle worker would think of a thousand reasons why they dont have to prove how effective they are against a kickboxer!

Needle work?? What are you talking about!! We are talking about Karate ........................ What are you talking about!!

Karate focuses on striking, kicks, punches etc unyet you say this is not self-defence ?

I am not saying this - please re-read my post. I have said that there are many reasons why people practice the martial arts. Some do it for fitness, some for spiritual reasons, some for competition, some for self defence, etc etc.

so are you saying karate is not even claiming to be self-defence ?

No i am saying that having to prove yourself against kick boxers is not relevant to self defence effectiveness!!

Wake-up and open your eyes to realality

Quite time!

If you think all martial arts are rigid in their teachings check out BUJINKAN.

Cheers
Chris

[foolsknight362]

Alright, I agree with the original post, and Bri and ryan's responses, but I am thinking that Choke is taking this all a bit far. I studied for 4 years in Karate, and your right, it was nothing but strikes, blocks, and kata's. No self defense. But now, when I have mixed it together with several different aspects of several arts, I like to think that I am a pretty good fighter. The point being is that it is useful for beginners as something to learn the ropes with, and it sets a good foundation. Like all arts though, it depends on the practitioner. It contributes to health, energy and lifestyle as well, and it teaches discipline.
In ending, yea, I think that Karate sucks, but your going off on something that isn't all bad for everyone.
Ciao,
fool

[CHOKE UK]

Foolsknight, I agree.

If it has been modified, updated, improved etc,
as in your case, then thats fine.
"you have learnt well, my son"

But generally thats not what happens, from my experience.

But as for someone saying that fighting/sparring against,
say a kick boxer is not a measure or good test????

Well why ?

If it's a striking art,?
shouldnt be suited to this test?

I could understand it not being suite to bjja etc.

So if its not suited to grappeling or striking what is it suitable for.......BRi-Thai's OR SHOULD I SAY............................................ BRA-THAI' S..........cross-dressing ???????
(and a Ann Robinson wink)!

For those that have a realistic , practical and somehow modified karate then that's great, thats just what was called for.

That is not my point, my point was the ones that havent.

They remain "BRA-THAI'S WEAKEST LINK !

[Guest]

Go and choke your chicken!

[chris davis 200]

But as for someone saying that fighting/sparring against say a kick boxer is not a measure or good test????

Well why ?

Becuase this is about Karate and self defence - fighting a kickboxer in competition is NOT relevant to self defence AT ALL!!!!!

Please try as hard as you can to understand, that COMPETITION & SPARRING are NOT self defence!!!

Traditional Kyokushin Karate Ka do very frequently fight in tournaments with Thai Boxers and Kick boxers and often win. at Mcdojo.com i beleive that there is a Kyokushin Guy decking a high level wing chun practitioner. They are pretty hard guys that often spar full contact without ANY gloves etc. This IS a traditional school of karate and produces fighters that can handle the best that kickboxing has to offer.

I do not do Karate, i have done, but do not now. I just know that there are exeptions to the rule.

The majority of Karate is Pants with most teachers only obtaining 2-3 Dan grades before starting their own schools. This has watered the system down. But understand that there are still some excellent exponents.

Cheers
Chris

[CHOKE UK]

Originally posted by chris davis 200


traditional Kyokushin Karate Ka do very frequently fight in tournaments with Thai Boxers and Kick boxers and often win. at Mcdojo.com i beleive that there is a Kyokushin Guy decking a high level wing chun practitioner. They are pretty hard guys that often spar full contact without ANY gloves etc. This IS a traditional school of karate and produces fighters that can handle the best that kickboxing has to offer.

I do not do Karate, i have done, but do not now. I just know that there are exeptions to the rule.

Cheers
Chris

Well thats not like the average KARATE club, chris.
But If it were then that would be fine.

[David M.]

Karate as useless...

As my dear friend and teacher once said to the entire class:
"It's like Prego... it's in there." His point was/is that no matter what you study, the desired effect on your opponent IS in the technique. Some systems just hide it more effectively than others... or some show it more clearly than others. In my time studying Goju, I learned in KATAs many of the throws, locks, chokes and other brutalities that JKD teaches AS throws, locks, chokes and other brutalities.

The difference may be simply that we should remember whether a system is a -do/Tao or a -jutsu.

True, that martial systems probably came to be systems out of need for self-protection, but these days (since before any of us were alive) most martial systems are taught as -dos.

No offense to anyone. Just my opinion.

D

[CHOKE UK]

David, sorry mate but that may has well been written in japanese, i didnt understand a word of it !!!!!!

Did anyone else ????????

[CHOKE UK]

Perhaps its just me,

It's somehow effecting my concentration,
all this noise that a "choking - chicken" makes. !


Evening all !