What is exactly ninjitsu???

[hEmPY]

'white' ninjazz look suspicious, dont u think?

[m.artist]

ya they do, but i heard that are a few pretty good ones.

[Smart Fighter]

Indeed there are.

[5 seals]

Despite what everyone says Ninjitsu is extremly effective in any situation

1.In Ninjitsu they teach u to make your attacks brutal an unseen even in a face to face situation.(So who ever says Ninjitsu is only effective for stealth attacks don't no $h!t)

2.In Ninjitsu they teach to ambush and kill.(Any thing more or less is bullshit)

3.An to all u disrespectful SOB's who don't believe in Ninjitsu I'll see u 1 day. -

[IPON]

2.In Ninjitsu they teach to ambush and kill.(Any thing more or less is bullshit)

3.An to all u disrespectful SOB's who don't believe in Ninjitsu I'll see u 1 day.

So if you are taught more than how to ambush or kill its not Ninjutsu........I'll keep that in mind when I see you .....cornball

[Hikage]

Despite what everyone says Ninjitsu is extremly effective in any situation

1.In Ninjitsu they teach u to make your attacks brutal an unseen even in a face to face situation.(So who ever says Ninjitsu is only effective for stealth attacks don't no $h!t)

2.In Ninjitsu they teach to ambush and kill.(Any thing more or less is bullshit)

3.An to all u disrespectful SOB's who don't believe in Ninjitsu I'll see u 1 day. -

Chill out tough guy. There's no reason to be a keyboard warrior. And that's certainly not going to help your cause.

-Hikage

[jubaji]

Despite what everyone says Ninjitsu is extremly effective in any situation

1.In Ninjitsu they teach u to make your attacks brutal an unseen even in a face to face situation.(So who ever says Ninjitsu is only effective for stealth attacks don't no $h!t)

2.In Ninjitsu they teach to ambush and kill.(Any thing more or less is bullshit)

3.An to all u disrespectful SOB's who don't believe in Ninjitsu I'll see u 1 day. -

hahahahahaaaahahaahahahaahaaahahaahahaaaa!

They are so cute at this age!

[5 seals]

Improvised Weapons: Some member were mentioning improvised weapons. To me you must ask yourself the question as far as improvised weapons; Is this more effective than my bare hands? A way could probally be found to use a a single sheet of paper as a weapon in combat but would that be more effective than your fist plowing into their jaw? Improvised weapons often give the users the advantage, however some do get carried away and fail to realise that sometimes our hands, and feet are better tool.

I agree fully.

[5 seals]

Chill out tough guy. There's no reason to be a keyboard warrior. And that's certainly not going to help your cause.

-Hikage

You are right words are nothing.

[5 seals]

So if you are taught more than how to ambush or kill its not Ninjutsu........I'll keep that in mind when I see you .....cornball

I'm in chicago where are u.

[5 seals]

He's in NYC and a former bouncer. Prehaps you'd better be careful who you go around picking fights with.

Maybe he can teach me somethin I don't know.

[Hikage]

You're going to think that I'm picking on you, seeing as we've disagreed often recently, but it just happens to be coincidence.

You are absolutely correct in saying that many times people get so caught up in other areas of the art, that they forget their basic hand techniques. This can be those who dwell too much on kata, on weapons, on tournament, on sparring, etc. However, I feel that I happen to have a more or less firm foundation in the basics of my art that I don't hesitate to roam into other areas.

When I talk about self-defense, I am not talking about the 5 or 6 techniques that karate stylists need to know for their blue belt test. I'm talking about employing life-saving maneuvers during combat. In this case, I happen to think that I'll use whatever I can to win and if that means making a weapon out of a sheet of paper, then I'll do it. In most arts, before an actual combat situation arises, students are taught to take in their environement. To me, that means take inventory of all that could potentially be used as a weapon. When you practice self-defense techniques, do you stick only to those 5 or 6 previously mentioned techniques? Or do you try to mix up what you know? Do you put yourself into situations that you wouldn't normally be? Do you have the person punch at you off-angle? Step with the wrong foot? etc. You should. If not, you are not practicing for combat, rather your are practicing to play tag against another guy who fights just as you do. Remember, it's not the orthodox man you need to impress, it is the unorthodox. When you take your training outside the normal realm of the "perfect fight" and the "perfect scenario" and you force your body to think for itself instead of performing perscribed movements. Then you are really BEGINNING to understand what self-defense it all about. Notice I said beginning. There is so much more to it once you understand just that much. And once you can do that little bit, you will know more than 90 percent of the students out there.

Learning to use all things as weapons is just another way of furthering your training. As I said many times, weapons are to be employed as extensions of that which you already know. The angles are basically the same. The foot work is basically the same. The techniques are basically the same. All these points are subject to how you are being taught. I believe that each aspect of the art should build upon that which the student already knows, an instructional strategy called "bottom-up processing." There is no reason that an instructor should confuse a student by giving him or her one way of moving when empty-handed, another with a sword, another with a short stick, another with a longer stick, and still another with the bo. It's unreasonable and it's no wonder that it takes some people so long to learn anything.

When used in conjunction with the basics of that art, as opposed to re-inventing the wheel, weapons can only serve to improve your empty-handed technique. For example, I have escrima stick drills that I do. I learn them first with the stick. Then I go back, put the stick down, and see what I can to with my hands, using the movements from that drill as a starting point. After you have spent time learning the basics of the "basic weapons" (I feel the essentials to any martial artist are certainly the knife, sword, bo, jo, hanbo, and escrima stick) there should be no problem in combing these together to form basics of new weapons, i.e., your piece of paper. BTW, paper can be used like a fan would to block the vision, it can be rolled up and used to poke soft spots, it can be used as a knife and deliver paper cuts, which can actually be pretty annoying but I wouldn't rely on that one. I wouldn't hesitate for one second to shove the whole thing down someone's mouth to give them difficulty in breathing.

I'm rambling, so I'll cut to the chase. I understand, appreciate and applaud your willingness to stick to your hand techniques. However, don't pass off the other intangibles that come with studying the finer points of weapon improvisation. After, and only after, you have a firm understanding of the basics of your art, then pick up something, anything and see what you get. It can only serve to improve your hands, which to you, is the basket into which you are tossing all your eggs.

-Hikage

[Hikage]

So I suppose that two times in as many days I find myself going off the deep-end with you on something that really had no relevance. Ok. I'll trudge back to the showers.

I'm just going to shut up from now on and let the experts talk..

-Hikage

[5 seals]

You're going to think that I'm picking on you, seeing as we've disagreed often recently, but it just happens to be coincidence.

You are absolutely correct in saying that many times people get so caught up in other areas of the art, that they forget their basic hand techniques. This can be those who dwell too much on kata, on weapons, on tournament, on sparring, etc. However, I feel that I happen to have a more or less firm foundation in the basics of my art that I don't hesitate to roam into other areas.

When I talk about self-defense, I am not talking about the 5 or 6 techniques that karate stylists need to know for their blue belt test. I'm talking about employing life-saving maneuvers during combat. In this case, I happen to think that I'll use whatever I can to win and if that means making a weapon out of a sheet of paper, then I'll do it. In most arts, before an actual combat situation arises, students are taught to take in their environement. To me, that means take inventory of all that could potentially be used as a weapon. When you practice self-defense techniques, do you stick only to those 5 or 6 previously mentioned techniques? Or do you try to mix up what you know? Do you put yourself into situations that you wouldn't normally be? Do you have the person punch at you off-angle? Step with the wrong foot? etc. You should. If not, you are not practicing for combat, rather your are practicing to play tag against another guy who fights just as you do. Remember, it's not the orthodox man you need to impress, it is the unorthodox. When you take your training outside the normal realm of the "perfect fight" and the "perfect scenario" and you force your body to think for itself instead of performing perscribed movements. Then you are really BEGINNING to understand what self-defense it all about. Notice I said beginning. There is so much more to it once you understand just that much. And once you can do that little bit, you will know more than 90 percent of the students out there.

Learning to use all things as weapons is just another way of furthering your training. As I said many times, weapons are to be employed as extensions of that which you already know. The angles are basically the same. The foot work is basically the same. The techniques are basically the same. All these points are subject to how you are being taught. I believe that each aspect of the art should build upon that which the student already knows, an instructional strategy called "bottom-up processing." There is no reason that an instructor should confuse a student by giving him or her one way of moving when empty-handed, another with a sword, another with a short stick, another with a longer stick, and still another with the bo. It's unreasonable and it's no wonder that it takes some people so long to learn anything.

When used in conjunction with the basics of that art, as opposed to re-inventing the wheel, weapons can only serve to improve your empty-handed technique. For example, I have escrima stick drills that I do. I learn them first with the stick. Then I go back, put the stick down, and see what I can to with my hands, using the movements from that drill as a starting point. After you have spent time learning the basics of the "basic weapons" (I feel the essentials to any martial artist are certainly the knife, sword, bo, jo, hanbo, and escrima stick) there should be no problem in combing these together to form basics of new weapons, i.e., your piece of paper. BTW, paper can be used like a fan would to block the vision, it can be rolled up and used to poke soft spots, it can be used as a knife and deliver paper cuts, which can actually be pretty annoying but I wouldn't rely on that one. I wouldn't hesitate for one second to shove the whole thing down someone's mouth to give them difficulty in breathing.

I'm rambling, so I'll cut to the chase. I understand, appreciate and applaud your willingness to stick to your hand techniques. However, don't pass off the other intangibles that come with studying the finer points of weapon improvisation. After, and only after, you have a firm understanding of the basics of your art, then pick up something, anything and see what you get. It can only serve to improve your hands, which to you, is the basket into which you are tossing all your eggs.

-Hikage

Thanks for the insight I'll incorparate these aspects in my conditioning and see were it goes.

[Hikage]

tired... definitly tired. Going to bed.

-Hikage