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  • What's the "Shredder"?

    Sorry for sounding ignorant, but what's this "shredder" technique I keep hearing about?

  • #2
    Senshido is, at its heart, a Reality-Based Self-Defense system. What this means is that it teaches survival skills for real-world violent situations.



    Go check it out.

    Ryu

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    • #3
      Check out the senshido forum as well, tons of information on the shredder there including reviews from non senshido students such as this one http://senshido.savi.ca/viewtopic.php?t=898 its from a martial arts (krav maga I think) instructor in finland, he pretty much gave an exact review of what the shredder is. Check it out.

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      • #4
        You're not being ignorant at all. You've heard of something and you want to know more. Thats the definition of open mided.

        But watch out with that Shredder. It could well make your nose even redder.......

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        • #5
          The Shredder seems pretty cool, I checked out the website...Ryu, how would it fit in with RAT? I know you have trained in both, do you feel they are compatible? I like RAT, and it seems as though the Shredder would interrupt with the HKE phase, possibly not making it worthwhile...What's your take?


          Thanks

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          • #6
            The RAT can be nullified when the guy takes a good hold of you and gets in real close. A "Rat Trap" so to speak.

            The Shredder thrives at this distance.

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            • #7
              Thanks for all the links. I'll certainly check them out after I'm done with my 30-page research paper.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Aaron
                The Shredder seems pretty cool, I checked out the website...Ryu, how would it fit in with RAT? I know you have trained in both, do you feel they are compatible? I like RAT, and it seems as though the Shredder would interrupt with the HKE phase, possibly not making it worthwhile...What's your take?


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                Aaron, Bri is correct.
                I personally think the shredder really enhances the RAT system in that it creates such disorientation and ungrounding of your opponent that it is that much easier to switch into "HKE" mode without him trying to grab you or stiff arm you, or fire back shots, etc. The shredder makes the opponent in a defensive state. With the RAT he can still gather himself and try to be offensive...not so with the shred. At least not yet in my experiences with it.

                I've done this lots of times, and have gone from "shredding to RAT to shredding to RAT" in clinching range.

                Definitely worth while.
                To be perfectly honest, these days I'm doing the shredder more, and the RAT less

                But BOTH compliment each other well.

                Ryu

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                • #9
                  I had no clue what the shredder was, I'd heard the name, but that was about it. I'm ordering the tape right.........now.

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                  • #10
                    Hi Guys,

                    I went down to Montreal to train the Shredder with Rich as I very interested in getting the info firsthand. And yes, I did take the opportunity to have a go with him to check it out; without too much into detail, I literally went at him a couple of times with punches, working clinch and I tried to keep at him when I hit the ground. Very cool.

                    I wrote a review of my training at Senshido a couple of weeks ago...and here is what Rich Dimitri (Senshido) added:

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                    As for the Shredder, it definitely is a natural method of protection. It is comprised of a barrage of gross motor tools used in conjunction on the quarter beat, within/inside the opponent's defensive flinch. When facing perceived threat/imminent danger where consent is nowehre to be found, our bodies and minds revert back to instinctual patterns of reaction. Ever see 2 pro boxers get into a real fight? Doesn't look much like boxing any longer.

                    There are 2 delivery systems for the Shredder. A physical delivery system is more desirable in a MMA/NHB type match where there is consent, awareness and preparation; however a behavioural delivery system is more important in the street depending again on the contexte and situation. A woman who never learned how to grapple or kickbox can make a rapist believe he is in complete control through human behaviour in relation to violence as well as tactical perceived vulnerability and considering rape is such a close quarter 'affair', the Shred can be unleashed with ease due to the element of surprise and behavioural set up without the necessary need to know how to grapple or kickbox per say. The rapist would never know what hit him and the woman can easily stun and run without having to get into a knock down drag out brawl.

                    There's a difference between 'fighting' and 'defending'. The mind-set and behavioural elements are considerably different when you're squaring off as opposed to threatening a perceived victim. This mind-set is what makes the Shredder such a devastating tool without the necessity of a MMA background.

                    However, if squaring off and telegraphing your intention of 'defending' yourself or fighting back, then yes, absolutely, you will need a solid physical delivery system or the Shred will never make it.

                    This is why a psychological arsenal is so crucial, without it, you're left with 'fighting' as opposed to strategically eliminating a threat. The confusion arises when someone looks at a self defense situation as a 'fight' as opposed to a means of protective offense.

                    Rich
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                    • #11
                      Just ordered mine today. I'll let you all know what I think sometime after Christmas.




                      Ken

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                      • #12
                        Looking forward to it Kengar!

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                        • #13
                          i'm open to it, but also skeptical for a couple reasons



                          if you know how to keep a beat, what's to stop you from just practicing the shredder on your own aiming for all loose objects if you know a little bit about disrupting your opps center?


                          and...


                          how can this realistically be practiced on a training partner without being rude?


                          granted i'lll practice i gouges and throat stabs the minute i climb into a mount, but i don't actually hit...



                          and i think i'd be in serious trouble if i ripped the face off of an agressor



                          could those whom own the tapes maybe shed a little bit more light? if i really like it i'll order and give the guy his credit


                          peace,
                          joe

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                          • #14
                            Hey Joe,

                            Training the shred can be done full contact (against a face-masked, goggled opponent) or done semi-full contact with the opponent still trying his damndest to stop it.

                            The shred is definitely not the end all be all.

                            But it's a bit different then most people think when they hear about the concept.

                            Training it on your partner can be done using what's called a "simulated shred." Basically your hands are traveling all over his face, grabbing his ears, turning his neck, unbalancing him, moving over his eyes (should probably use goggles if he's resisting 100%)
                            The amazing thing about it is that your partner can still literally resist you full out while you ONLY do a simulated shred (not actually gouging, tearing, etc.) and it still works.

                            Since the targets are being attacked continuously on the quarter beat without the hands leaving the proximity of the face, the opponent's natural flinch mechanism is triggered, and he will continually be on the defensive. The only problem is that while he's trying to defend against the gouge, his ear is being ripped, when he tries to immediately defend against that, three other targets have already been hit....

                            It becomes like fighting a swarm of "bees."
                            All one can really do is defend and inevitably go fetal.

                            That's been my experience with it. I believe it's a great concept, but not a magic pill in any way.
                            You cannot "shred" from long range. You have to have the proper delivery systems of kicking, boxing, clinching, and groundfighting to make it work as well as it's supposed to.

                            So I'd say check it out.
                            that's my honest opinion.

                            Ryu

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                            • #15
                              Thanks for your reply Ryu. So basically, if you squared off against someone, you would have to enter normally before using the shredder. Would you still enter using RAT or does Dmitri have a better way of entering? I like RAT, I think that the only time I would use something different in a fight would be to just take him to the ground if I thought I had a clear and easy entry and takedown. Also, it seems as though it would be very difficult for someone to go on the offensive against you after you have intercepted/destroyed, straight blasted, and then began the HKE assault. Would you agree?

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