Thai Bri's background?

[Drew Howe]

Hey Thai Bri:

I'd be interested in hearing about what kind of self-defense training you have had, both training as a cop and on your own, and what you feel has been some of the most useful.

I realize, coming from me, this might seem like I'm looking to start trouble with you. I'm not at all. In fact, I apologize to you for having been so thin-skinned (and the PM's) when you were trying to get a rise out of me. Obviously it worked! But, that was my problem, and hopefully there is no harm done.

I am interested in how the British police force trains and what you train in personally. Hope to hear from you, thanks.

[Power]

Pffft...Yeah...like Thai Bri's gonna tell YOU how he achieved his Medallion of Omni-galactic-spiritual-oneness.

I know...I know... Chad.

[Szczepankiewicz]

looking to start trouble with you

Why the hell not. It'd be good for the Limey to get a dose of his own medicine.

To tell you the truth ALL he does is kata.

That's hit. He can't whup the farts out of a paper bag....

PANSY!

Spanky what Thrashes Limeys

[Power]

To tell you the truth ALL he does is kata.

Sooo. . . you don't think that's a GOOD thing...?

[Cain]

no, doing kata 100% of the time is not good..

[Power]

Hmmm...this less than 100% Kata theory intrigues me...tell me more...

[Thai Bri]

No worries Drew, though I do suspect your trying to find holes in my armour! Haw haw haw. I cut and pasted this from a recent post I made on another thread. I deleted bits of the post that were relevant to that particular thread, but not this. Here goes -

"Teaching me? I have trained since the late 1970's, and have had many teachers. My latest "in person" lessons were with Dennis Martin, a guy with a world wide reputation in the Combatives world. He is also a Black Belt in Shotokan Karate, being part of the first wave of trainees when Karate came to the Western world in numbers. Guess what. He's rejected it in the form it was taught. Everyone with a brain has.

I've posted my training experience before, but here is a very brief rundown.

Shukokai Karate under 3rd Dan (at the time) instruction from Tommy Kwan. He was a first generation instructor qualified by Shukokai legend (and "Double Hip" inventor) Master Shigeru Kimura.

Japanese Jiu Jitsu, under Sensei Dave Hodgson. The organisation was called the "World Jiu Jitsu Federation", and boasted being under some top master in Japan. Those claims turned out to be bogus.

Wing Chun Kung Fu, under Sifu Samuel Kwok, 2nd generation Yip Man student.

Thai Boxing under a guy called Robz Shackerly, trained by Master Ken. One of the most respected and first wave of Thai Boxers in the UK.

Bujutsu, a combination of ground fighting and stand up skills, by Sensei Michael Gregory - 4th Dan Karate, Thai Boxing coach (qualifying under Master Toddy, who now works out of LA), and JKD Instructor, qualified under Dan Inosanto himself. Heres his web site www.maxt.co.uk

My current influences are, as said, Dennis Marttin, and also other reality based self defence people, like Carl Cestari and Richard Dimitri. But, as regards these last two, I have only trained their methods from video and the written word. I have not (yet) trained with them."


As regards the police self defence, I din't mention it. The training given was so poor. All twisty wristy nonsense. They have updated it a bit, but you get trained so very rarely that it could be the best system in the world, and still not help you.

There. Now do your worst!!!!!

[Cain]

little bri.. i like a good brie from france! on some salty crackers.. with a good red wine..

[Drew Howe]

As regards the police self defence, I din't mention it. The training given was so poor. All twisty wristy nonsense. They have updated it a bit, but you get trained so very rarely that it could be the best system in the world, and still not help you.

That's interesting. Here in the states, many of the police agencies train their officers in water downed systems as well. Mind you there has been a lot of changes in just the last 10 to 15 years. Most no longer train officers in choke holds, and a lot of other aspects have been watered down. The application of the force continuum has been the biggest thing added I guess. Which to me seems like a no brainer. They just gave common sense a fancy name. I guess it depends on who you talk to. All these changes are done to reduce liability on the agency. Unfortunately, they don't do much to help the street cop. And, in my opinion increase liability..or at least don't look good on tape..ala Rodney King in Los Angeles. A rear choke would have made things look less violent for sure and done the job faster.

I train regularly with a 15 year Maryland Trooper and former Marine MP, my brother from a different mother . He believes that the tactics he learned as a Marine MP and later as a trooper are better than what many police agencies do today. They were all mostly Fairbairn tactics. As the Sgt in charge of a high risk ops unit, he uses his CQC skills almost on a daily basis.

[Thai Bri]

We are specifically excluded any form of choke or strangle owing to the risk of killing them. Not fair, in my view, but there it is. We have also been told that we are not allowed to head butt, as it is "socially unacceptable". More socially unacceptable than a dead police officer, it seems.

[Cain]

We are specifically excluded any form of choke or strangle owing to the risk of killing them. Not fair, in my view, but there it is. We have also been told that we are not allowed to head butt, as it is "socially unacceptable". More socially unacceptable than a dead police officer, it seems.

well, if it is as bad as my british police officer friend says, you guys aren't very appreciated..

[Drew Howe]

We are specifically excluded any form of choke or strangle owing to the risk of killing them. Not fair, in my view, but there it is. We have also been told that we are not allowed to head butt, as it is "socially unacceptable". More socially unacceptable than a dead police officer, it seems.

Yeah most agencies here have done the same, however, that doesn't stop some cops from using them. They'd rather risk a write up than their butt.

[brokenelbow]

Thai Bri, what is Dennis Martin's background?

[Thai Bri]

Why not nip onto the forum at www.geoffthompson.com and ask him? He has his own section there.
But ask the question nicely. He isn't one to boast.

[brokenelbow]

Thanks TB. I did a search and found some articles by him but no background info.