Thai Bri's background?

[Thai Bri]

Hmmm - three cops took the baby off the mother, and would not give it to the father. In their very own squat too. How could they take that poor child from such well balanced parents, who obviously had great plans for their baby. And, of course, the cops just did it at random. It isn't as if they had information to suggest the child was at risk. Oh no. No, they just wanted the baby for themselves. That must be it.

[eXcessiveForce]

I have seen someone on cocaine jump from a two story window, break both legs on impact and run two blocks before collapsing and be caught by the police.

When my dad was a cop, he knew a cop who broke an oak nightstick over a guys head who was drunk and resisted the police, The guy pushed the cops away and told them to stop it. I think it was a week later he fought Joe Frasier.

People are strange creatures. You can beat someone and they get up over and over until they die, and somepeople you could smack and send them wimpering to a corner.

Mistakes happen, But if your life was on the line what side to you decide to make the mistake on? doing to little and dying yourself, or accidentally hitting someone one to many times.


I would never be a police officer simply because they are handicapped when it comes to defending themselves. Luckily there are others that don't seem to mind and will do the job.

[Drew Howe]

Four cops jumped out of an unmarked car and held my buddy against the fence, would not give their badge numbers to him and then ripped all his buttons off and took away his flag. They then told him that if they saw him at the protest they would sharpen the flag and say he was going to use it as a weapon.

Not surprised. I'd make a special exception to my beating policy for wannabe 60's, WTO protesting, Starbuck burning, hippies. I'm sure you "buddy" was innocent.

[S.Anucha]

Police, love them or hate them these guys are the ones you call when your house was broken into, when you get raped, or beaten to a pulp and robbed, these are the guys who defend the scum of the earth from the scum of the earth and protect the so called "innocent" from each other and these are the guys who are hated by both sides of the fence, what a wonderful job they have.

Hippies = shit heads, I f**king hate hippies, I spent a lot of time in S.E.Asia and I can tell you these hypocritical wankers annoy me, they are arrogant twats who think cos they have dreadies hate everything america and smoke dope listen to reggae then they must be damn cool or peace lovin, wankers I tell ya, the majority of these people I have met have done nothing but make me feel ashamed that the human race can actuall churn out such shit as a hippie! John Lennan can f' off.... these hippies, they do nothing but live on the dole and scrounge then protest about wars and shout about how much they hate police but yet these guys are the first they call when anything actually happens to them, grrrr!

ok I stop.

And the worst is in Thailand they are everywhere!!!!!!

[Thai Bri]

"I would never be a police officer simply because they are handicapped when it comes to defending themselves."

Actually, we are handicapped in so many ways - but mostly mentally.

[Cain]

Well heres an instance that happened about a month ago. I was at a squat in toronto for the homeless.

Three cops beat a woman holding a baby untill she couldnt move. Then they took her baby and would not give it up to the father. Four cops jumped out of an unmarked car and held my buddy against the fence, would not give their badge numbers to him and then ripped all his buttons off and took away his flag. They then told him that if they saw him at the protest they would sharpen the flag and say he was going to use it as a weapon.

Ok and heres another Otto Vass, he was mentally handicapped. He came out of a 7/11 and some cops asked for his id. They thought he was drunk and when they grabbed him he tried to run. He was crying this entire time, they hit him 52 times with night sticks and killed him. Is this not overkill?

But come on this is just comon sense. If I hit someone with an extendable in the back of the knees 4 times, he isnt getting up. Unless I have some sort of super metal legs like you must have.

a druggie on speed jumped out of a second floor windows to escape the security people where i work, and ran almost 2 km's with two broken shinbones and a weird disc-thing in the back!

and i have myself broken the arm of a speed-junkie and then being hit with the same hand.. so.. the human body is quite interesting!

[IPON]

Bring that back and you will see far fewer "King" type videos.

Drew, I think you are missing a big piece. People were getting killed by officers (by accident or design) when they were using the choke. The choke was not just being used to restrain coked-up assailents, but anyone. You may see fewer videos but there would be many more cover-ups. The F.O.P. is notorius for that (Bri no offence), but the first priority is not the people but its own members. IMHO, I just don't think it is as simple as you make it sound.

[Power]

But come on this is just comon sense. If I hit someone with an extendable in the back of the knees 4 times, he isnt getting up. Unless I have some sort of super metal legs like you must have.

I resent the fact that you call my metal legs super. They are amazingly super...just ask my wife.

[Drew Howe]

Drew, I think you are missing a big piece. People were getting killed by officers (by accident or design) when they were using the choke. The choke was not just being used to restrain coked-up assailents, but anyone. You may see fewer videos but there would be many more cover-ups. The F.O.P. is notorius for that (Bri no offence), but the first priority is not the people but its own members. IMHO, I just don't think it is as simple as you make it sound.

I don't have the stats but I'm guessing that deaths at the hands of cops have not dropped much, if any, since the choke was banned by many agencies. Just maybe deaths as a result of choke holds.

You are right though, the choke wasn't being used to just restrain coked-up subjects. Dealing with coked-up subs wasn't it's only purpose for use. The purpose is to restrain anyone who is combative and/or noncompliant in order to make an arrest. However, most agency SOP's that allowed the choke had the provision that it be used as requried...or in other words, if you can cuff the guy without it, do it.

Like a duty firearm or an ASP baton, the choke was just a law enforcement tool. Any tool can be abused, I'm sure the choke was no exception. When that happens, it is the agencies responsibility to step in and provide the necessary training to get the officer to comply with the department SOP guidelines. Or, disciplinary action if needed. Not take away the tool.

Bottom line, training is the key. In my opinion, not enough time is spent training officers how to use non-lethal force... which is why it often ends up becoming lethal. Agencies should devote the same, or more, amount of time as they do to firearms training. Cops easily have to put their hands on people far more than they shoot them. Might as well be doing it correctly.

[shadowkiller]

Guess I should have said that the woman wasnt homeless she was just there showing her support. They didnt like her sign. But then again a woman carrying a baby does need three cops in riot gear to be kept under control.....

And my buddy, I bet you will not believe me is a chemist. He is a damn smart person and well decided that after seeing what the homeless live through in toronto, that maybe he wouldnt just be another dick that watches people die. We just went down there to show support for a very bad problem.

Did you know that the city of toronto has over 500 houses that just sit unattended because the city has no use for them yet. And that there are massive factories and other buildings that are empty but the city just wont let poor people live in them. They would rather them die out in the cold. Whenever some activist asks anyone in authority about this they say there is just no money to build shelters.... I think we just figured out a solution.

I completly agree that most hippies are just lazy potheads who like to preach and nothing else. But there is a problem here and you saying how much you hate hippies isnt going to do much about it. I dont know about the rest of the world but in North America police brutality is pretty bad. I know that many of them are just pissed off that they have to deal with teenagers that do stupid things, and that would probably amount for why they are such dicks when I have had to talk to them.

If I am being civil why cant they? Im not resisting, being loud mouthed and have never been under the influence of anything when dealing with them but I have still been cuffed and throw into a cruiser for being at the wrong place at the wrong time.

[Drew Howe]

Did you know that the city of toronto has over 500 houses that just sit unattended because the city has no use for them yet. And that there are massive factories and other buildings that are empty but the city just wont let poor people live in them. They would rather them die out in the cold.

Similar situations exist in most cities throughout the US. But, I'm not sure giving squatter's rights to the homeless will solve anything. There are a lot of US studies that suggest the homeless are homeless either by choice or mental deficiency. The later being a greater factor. City and Church run shelters in the US don't typically have to turn people away because of a lack of space or services.

Frankly, I'm surprised that the great socialist utopia of Canada has this problem. If what you say is true, it might just be one more indication that capitalism is king.

[Thai Bri]

So, let me get this right. A woman has a sign. A cop doesn't like it. So three of them pounce on her, even though she's holding a baby? Man, you are full of crap.

In the UK it is common for officers of Inspector rank to take complaints from the public. Of course, some complaints are true, and the cop involved is out of order. But the spurious claims have to be heard to be believed. I have been at incidents, seen how duisgracefully and violently someone has behaved, watched my people take him in etc. Then the person has tried to somplain to me. Not knowing I was there, they describe how they were just going about their lawful business when they were assaulted by the police, for no reason.

And this yarn stinks of a similar stench.

[Drew Howe]

Yep, this guy is full of crap. Either that, or the story that was given to him was crap. My wife is a former state trooper. One time a complaint was phoned in to her barrack about her. The caller said that my wife refused to take a complaint from her against some business owner, because she (the caller) was black. My wife doesn't roll that way, but that is beyond the point. She described my wife and had her unit number and everything. The day this supposedly happened was the same day the caller made the complaint. Meanwhile, my wife and I, and her CRUISER, were all enjoying ourselves at the beach 200+ miles away on the other side of the state.

[shadowkiller]

Homelesess in canada has been dubbed a national disaster. I was at the protest, a few feet away from the woman. So I do know what happened, and dont call me a pussy for not stepping in. I dont think I could have done much against dozens of armed police officers. There was no way this woman warranted the severe beating she took by the cops. She wasnt resisting at all, she was covering the baby up and not fighting back. So you cannot say she deserved it. Not spinning any tales here either, I dont care if you believe or not. It happened and I was the only one there.

I do understand that cops are discrimated against as well. I have heard similiar stories to yours drew. This is usually do to a bad incidents with the officer or the police in general. Someone doesnt just decide to try to get a cop in trouble for nothing.

Socialist canada? What the hell are you talking about?

[Thai Bri]

Funny that. Someone just doesn't try to get a cop in trouble for nothing...... but a group of cops will turn on a baby holding mother just because they don't like her sign?

You're full of it. It didn't happen, and you're trapped in an obvious lie.