Defence against takedowns

[Tant01]

Gravity assisted impact with terrain...

Of course, you don't want to simply push straight down. That might have you committing too much weight in one direction and leave you face down yourself if he switches off to an outside single. You have to respond to the direction he's coming from/driving to. And you're better off sinking an overhook on the near side at least than putting both hands on top of him. More control & better position to respond to his adjustments.

Right, you're pushing off him to keep your balance while destroying his. Depending on his level of commitment and your reaction time you can push him in the direction that he drives toward (one leg) with ease. You're just redirecting his force not blocking him unless you're way late and his arms are already around your legs.

[jubaji]

unless you're way late and his arms are already around your legs.

In which case you really need that overhook, and its time to get ugly with the crossface!

[Tom Yum]

Of course, you don't want to simply push straight down. That might have you committing too much weight in one direction and leave you face down yourself if he switches off to an outside single. You have to respond to the direction he's coming from/driving to. And you're better off sinking an overhook on the near side at least than putting both hands on top of him. More control & better position to respond to his adjustments.

I've come to really appreciate the switch to an outside single, since reality proves that you will rarely get a good deep shot against an experienced grappler.

Jubaji, there are two counters to double leg shot attempts, but I can't remember their names.

One involves sprawling and immediately clasping around the leg of the shooter and flipping him onto his back, with you in a cross body position.

The other involves a double shot attempt, where the guy has your legs, but has to straigten his back to drive you (like he allmost has the shot) and the defense on that one involves picking the guy up, sweeping his legs through the air allmost like a pile driver but he lands on his back, whilst you are able to roll onto him.

Both are popular in freestyle, since height and force of takedowns can score big points (and f-up your opponent)

[fenwick99]

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I am watching a reply of Ortiz/ Liddell as I type. The key to fighting is to use your best stuff while stopping your enemy from making you fight his game.
For stand-up, it is ftwrk. and distance, and on the ground, it is position along with head, neck, shoulder, and hip control. If there really is anything beyond this to fighting, let me know. I'm curoius.

[fenwick99]

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pps- many wrestlers will duck their heads on the shot- front choke or neck crank. good night, irene, good nite

[jubaji]

pps- many wrestlers will duck their heads on the shot-

Not many good ones.

[zhorner]

i forgot all about the front choke...

some of the best grapplers in the world have tapped out from it.

[SamuraiGuy]

In my experience there are a few things you can do,

sprawl as teh number 1 I would say

I like this, use the guillotine, when hes coming in, wrap your arm around his neck, then to avoid being SLAMMED, just fall backwards yourself, and wrap your legs so he cant roll.

Throw a knee, that is really the only thing that discourages me from shooting 24/7...

(not literally 24/7)

uhmmmm... theres also just falling backwards... put him in your gaurd.. fight from there... it works.....

I wouldnt try side stepping though, unless you already know he is coming for the take down and that you can see it coming from farther away... if you sprawl I have nothing if you move to the side, chances are Ill still get you.

[BeingAtOne]

There all work good i mean I have used them Im really impressed with Mirko cro cop and how he side steps very easily he has great time i think if a person works on there side step and jab really well i think they could learn to develop a very effective counter for the takedown.

[Tant01]

"Good" takedown

There all work good i mean I have used them Im really impressed with Mirko cro cop and how he side steps very easily he has great time i think if a person works on there side step and jab really well i think they could learn to develop a very effective counter for the takedown.

They should be prepared for that too. Unless it's straight wrestling a good feint (that is a false attack) like a low kick, stomp, or even a good 1-2 (jab cross) fake to get him in the (ooda) loop for the double leg attack. Wrestlers often feint a high line then go low to make the time to get your legs before you sprawl or step off the line of engagement. It's just harder to trick that caliber of fighter. They don't take the bait or get troubled by a sudden change in the line of attack, they simply adapt on the fly so to speak...

[Levi_athan]

The old jiu jitsu stylists pulled guard whenever they faced Kano's newly founded judokas. They did it to avoid getting thrown and went for the submission immediately. I know it seems kind of "suicidal" to give the judoka top position, but at least you're not giving him the mount or side mount, right? Plus, the guard is a pretty decent position to be in. At least you can still attack from the guard and not mounted on. Just a thought.

[BeingAtOne]

i agree on the ground for myself I actually like the guard the most even more then the mount although I like the side mount alot aswell. I feel I have better controle but I would rather not go on the ground all together. I mean its alright one on oen especially if the guy you are fighting does not know anything about the ground or very little but its not where i want to be in a fight.

[kosmo yagkoto]

If someone is sprawling towards you, couldn't you just knee them in the face/head?

[Tom Yum]

You've got it backwards, Kos.

Sprawl is a defensive technique for a shoot. A shoot is when a wrestler or grappler crouches, lowers his center and dives in for your legs. However, he is never off of his center, meaning that his head is allways above his legs, never in front.

A trained grappler will shoot in really fast, Kos. Unless you've done some wrestling or BJJ, you will not expect it and he will get his penetration, scoop your legs, and have you on your back (hopefully not on your neck) in under one second.

Some stand up guys train to knee against the shoot and it can work, so it makes grapplers work harder to set up the shot.

[kosmo yagkoto]

You've got it backwards, Kos.

Sprawl is a defensive technique for a shoot. A shoot is when a wrestler or grappler crouches, lowers his center and dives in for your legs. However, he is never off of his center, meaning that his head is allways above his legs, never in front.

A trained grappler will shoot in really fast, Kos. Unless you've done some wrestling or BJJ, you will not expect it and he will get his penetration, scoop your legs, and have you on your back (hopefully not on your neck) in under one second.

Some stand up guys train to knee against the shoot and it can work, so it makes grapplers work harder to set up the shot.

Yeah I guess I got mixed up a bit, but if he isn't a striker, he has to do something to take you down and so you could anticipate it a bit, at least one would think that, but you never know what might happen in a fight.