Is this guy legit?

[Guest]

Oh, now I get it...you're a fuckin' moron! It all makes sense now!

Thats class, you've nailed it!

[Guest]

Hey Mike

Thanks for your message, great be in touch again after so long. I'm loving the forum and all it's characters, thats what makes it fun!

Thanks again and hope to speak soon

[g-bells]

So we're all women because we don't want to associate with liars and "instructors" of low or no moral character?

Sounds like someone's leaving us to go beat off to Bruce Lee movies, and of course, to solve the suffering of the Earth.

Since jubaji has obviously not found this thread yet, let me "intercept" by saying thank you, dm_l, for pointing out our shortcomings and for allowing us to see the root of all the world's problems. And for misspelling "your" while you were at it. You're truly a worthy guide.

mr brewer,
this post made my day, thank you, i laughed so hard kool-aid came out my nose

[Tom Yum]

i laughed so hard kool-aid came out my nose

I'm more impressed since you weren't drinking kool-aid...

[g-bells]

I'm more impressed since you weren't drinking kool-aid...

but it was sugar free

[Guest]

He's down The Blue Oyster with Shadow and his biker buddies

[dm_l]

Everything Must Evolve Or Die

Everytime you open your mouths you show your ignorance. 1. Never said ANYTHING about a biker bar. I said underground fight circuits that go on to this day; basicly human pitbull matches. Get outta the 'burbs once in awhile fellas. 2.Shadow prefers quotes from Patton to Mother Theresa;Emerson to Gandhi; Tarantino movie posters but, not one quote or pic of Bruce. 3. Doesn't own a computer or care about society at large. Barely eats anything he doesn't kill himself with his bow. 4. Like Jesus, you've taken a prophet and turned him into a god. Joe Lewis has gone on record as saying that: "Bruce NEVER fought; that he had a scrawny neck and most likely could not take a punch." That he was a GREAT RESEARCHER who never credited anyone but, demanded credit for himself". Gene LeBell forced Bruce Lee into submission and I've never even heard of Dan Inosanto in a fight. Great teachers to be sure but, fighters? I brought up many valid points using Bruce's very words and you ignored them all. Sure Bruce had certification early on. During the course of his EVOLUTION, he did away with ranks, certification, chi sao, mook jong, and regretted naming it. 5. Morality? Gimme a break! Who do we all know and love who lost consciousness in another womans bed with autopsy results showing Equasegic and HASHISH?!!! Thanks for coming and drive safely.

[Jujujason]

How convenient that he can claim all of these victories in these 'underground fight circuits' and not have to provide a shred of evidence to back up his claims of competing or his victories. This reminds me of Count Dante and his Black Dragon Fighting Society in the Chicago area from the late 60's and 70's. He was a dude cut from the exact same mold, making the exact same claims that this 'Shadow' guy is and you just knew by looking at him that he couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag unaided.

As for guro Dan, he had his fair share of fights growing up in Stockton, CA and while in the army. Anyone that's ever been in the military knows that young servicemen during peacetime have nothing better to do on weekends than to go out, get in to fights (dragging their buddies into it as well...such as the case with guro) and try to kill each other. Additionally, he competed in his fair share of karate tournaments in the early 60's while training with Ed Parker before retiring from the tournament scene when he started training with sijo Bruce.

Just because someone doesn't fight, doesn't mean that they can't kick ass. That's like saying you have to win a beauty pageant in order to be beautiful and anyone that's ever walked around LA knows that there are plenty of beautiful women that have never even stepped foot on a beauty pageant stage much less won a pageant. Also, there are plenty of great teachers that weren't particularly good fighters themselves that produced great fighters (Cus D'Amato and Angelo Dundee come to mind.). Please don't go around saying that he's just a teacher because he is sooo much more than that. Before you go commenting on people and their backgrounds, try learning a little something about them, first.

As for Joe Lewis, he is NOT the end-all/be-all of JKD history or knowledge. I remember an interview with him that ran in an issue of Black Belt during the 1980's in which he stated that he had very little knowledge of jkd and actually trained with sijo very little before their 'falling out'. Once it became apparent that he (Lewis) could profit by teaching jkd, then he became a jkd expert conducting jkd seminars and certifying people in jkd. Well, who certified him??? Either he's a lyer or an opportunist. Which is it? Either scenario kind of ruins his credibility don't you think? Oh yeah, I'm still waiting to hear about this 'jkd' guy that was in the first UFC.

[Guest]

I've never even heard of Dan Inosanto in a fight.

You are right, I have never heard Guro Inosanto tell a streetfighting story......and for that I respect the man so much more. The fact is, dm_l, Guro Inosanto has faced life threatening altercations. However he chooses to live his life with humility, and express his martial arts though love and not hate, unlike people who sensationalise "human pitbull matches".

Doesn't own a computer or care about society at large. Barely eats anything he doesn't kill himself with his bow

I knew it. He isn't Shadow Thundercloud, he's Stringfellow Hawk!

[fenwick99]

re

There was a jkd guy, or one who claimed to be, in the early ufc's named Todd "El Tiburon" Medina. Medina lost to canadian wrestler Dave Beneteau.
All this stuff about pit-fighting reminds me of Tank Abbott, who I do not think is Shadow. The biker bar stuff reminded me of Clungston, whose system was called jkd-something at one time, then it changed. Clunston stuff was a sort of "street muay thai" combined with LeBell grappling.
It was decent material, but I would not say it was jkd.

[Happy Cat]

As far as I know, Sifu Bruce was never certified by anyone but himself. He hated the "clasical mess." And yet here his 3rd and 4th generation students are arguing about certs. A previous poster was right, do not miss the heavenly glory by focusing on the pointing finger.

Yes Sifu Bruce did certify three of his students, but he subsequently ordered the schools closed. I understand that those who trained with certified instructors are somewhat invested in this cert Idea. And ceretification does have some value, but lets not rain on this guy, who we do not know, just because he has no cert.

[Guest]

No, my jolly feline friend, we rained on this guy because he talked a load of toss about killing people in Biker Bars and being an underground fighting legend. No one really knows who anyone is on here, you are taken by what you post.

Once again you do seem to claim an awful lot of insight into what Bruce Lee thought, did, and said. I'm still intruiged to know what your background is and your relationship to Mr Lee and the people who were actually there. I asked once before, but you didn't take too kindly to it.

And please everyone, stop quoting lines from Enter the Dragon, it doesn't in any way add credibility to a discussion on JKD or Bruce Lee. It was just a movie script written by a screenwriter called Michael Allin. Who? Yes, exactly.

[Jujujason]

Happycat, I only mentioned the certification thing in my post because dm l quoted Joe Lewis to add credibility to his argument as if Joe is the 'end all, be all' authority on JKD. Additionally, as the founder of the system, I don't think that sijo Bruce needed to be certified by anyone. Right?

[Happy Cat]

I have no closer relationship to Sifu Bruce than any of his other 2nd or 3rd generation students who post here. It is not difficult to learn what he said: he authored at least five books, plus his personal notes were published in "The Tao of Jeet Kune Do", and in several subsequent works.

I have spent some time studying these works, as many on this forum probably have, and I do think I have some understanding of what he was about. But each person can review the material and come to his own conclusions.

The picture I have of Bruce is that of a very human and imperfect individual. But a genius. Lets be frank: Martial arts attracts very few geniuses, and fewer still devote their genius to the art. Bruce did.

[Happy Cat]

I have no closer relationship to Sifu Bruce than any of his other 2nd or 3rd generation students who post here. It is not difficult to learn what he said: he authored at least five books, plus his personal notes were published in "The Tao of Jeet Kune Do", and in several subsequent works.

I have spent some time studying these works, as many on this forum probably have, and I do think I have some understanding of what he was about. But each person can review the material and come to his own conclusions.

The picture I have of Bruce is that of a very human and imperfect individual. But a genius. Lets be frank: Martial arts attracts very few geniuses, and fewer still devote their genius to the art. Bruce did.