Bruce Lee Foundation - Official Jun Fan JKD

[ASHTANGA05]

Please look at Jubaji's previous posts - almost 5000 ! Look at first one, if you can't be bothered looking at any other. Just to get an idea of the sort of person you are dealing with. And gems like 'shit eating troll' , very profound indeed.

[jubaji]

JUBAJI,

I am certainly not a troll as you put it

You are an annoying little shit-eating troll and when you are soon gone, you won't be missed.

[ASHTANGA05]

good responses everyone,

ashtanga you seem to have a lot of info and onowledge on the original junfan jkd method and its students and practitioners. I was wondering if anyone claiming a link to original jkd has actually competed in any ufc type events or anything. On anmother forum there are many oriignal jkd people, but none of them have ever really done any fighting or anything. yea, I know JKD is supposed to be for the street, but if it cant adapt to teh rules of mma competition, then it would seem to me to be a really inflexible style. Sometimes there are rules that one has to fight buy, one cant always go all out and use anything. If JKD is only efective when it can use the finger jabs and groins strike and all, then people who have to fight under legal type rule like police, security, bouncers, etc would find JKD useless as a fighting method. And if no original JKD npeople havent ever done well or even tried to fight in mma, does that mean that it isnt as effective as the concepts stuff who has had a lot of people fight in the mma and muay thai kind of fights.

I hope you can provide some of the info, I cant seem to get it from anyone else. And again, please dont say something like, JKD practitioners could beat the ufc or mma on the street if they wanted to or could win in teh ring if they reied, on the otehr forums they are always trying to use that excuse. i am trying to find some real info about the people who practice oriignal JKD before deceideing which way to go (original or concepts).

thanks for any help
Nonc

My part came out for some reason in the above quote last post. Anyway - note NCQF previously saying I had good knowledge above on Jun Fan JKD, now suddenly he says I don't. Note also the 'another forum' part , as Jesse told me he has done the same thing on several other forums - putting himself forward as an expert on Jun Fan JKD / Bruce Lee's early training / unofficial spokesman for Mike Lee , Jesse Glover , etc.

[Garland]

GARLAND,

Eh take a look at yourself, might be good option :-

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=10230415&Mytoken=E

Hobbies include - sex & violence , etc. And you are talking about people being in padded cells - you're a natural comedian and an ironic one at that, that much I will give you.

Wasn't it you that says things that come naturally to yourself like - eat a dick & choke on it', etc? [see rants earlier in this thread].

Yup. that's me...



And I don't know who you are, but I still say eat a dick. lol, fucknut. Where's your myspace, buddy? Have a picture, a name, Mr. Mysterious?

You can gag on a ribbed dildo covered in tabasco, beotch.

[ASHTANGA05]

good responses everyone,

ashtanga you seem to have a lot of info and onowledge on the original junfan jkd method and its students and practitioners. I was wondering if anyone claiming a link to original jkd has actually competed in any ufc type events or anything. On anmother forum there are many oriignal jkd people, but none of them have ever really done any fighting or anything.

HOW STRANGE NCQF WAS PREVIOUSLY SAYING I HAD GOOD KNOWLEDGE, NOW HE IS SAYING I HAVEN'T??? Stranger too that the supposed expert is having to ask about JKD people in MMA competitions. Note too - the on another forum part, as Jesse told me he has been on several and put himself forward as an expert on Bruce Lee's Jun Fan JKD / early training in U.S./ and unofficial spokesman for Jesse Glover & Mike Lee.

Again, anyone needs verification he is a fraudster private message me, will give you Jesse Glovers email address to confirm it.


yea, I know JKD is supposed to be for the street, but if it cant adapt to teh rules of mma competition, then it would seem to me to be a really inflexible style. Sometimes there are rules that one has to fight buy, one cant always go all out and use anything. If JKD is only efective when it can use the finger jabs and groins strike and all, then people who have to fight under legal type rule like police, security, bouncers, etc would find JKD useless as a fighting method. And if no original JKD npeople havent ever done well or even tried to fight in mma, does that mean that it isnt as effective as the concepts stuff who has had a lot of people fight in the mma and muay thai kind of fights.

I hope you can provide some of the info, I cant seem to get it from anyone else. And again, please dont say something like, JKD practitioners could beat the ufc or mma on the street if they wanted to or could win in teh ring if they reied, on the otehr forums they are always trying to use that excuse. i am trying to find some real info about the people who practice oriignal JKD before deceideing which way to go (original or concepts).

thanks for any help
Nonc

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[ASHTANGA05]

GARLAND,

Eh take a look at yourself, might be good option :-

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=10230415&Mytoken=E

Hobbies include - sex & violence , etc. And you are talking about people being in padded cells - you're a natural comedian and an ironic one at that, that much I will give you.

Wasn't it you that says things that come naturally to yourself like - eat a dick & choke on it', etc? [see rants earlier in this thread].

[Garland]

what's with you and posting links to NOWHERE?

[ASHTANGA05]

JUBAJI,

I am certainly not a troll as you put it, though it would appear that would be an apt description for yourself :-

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/search.php?searchid=133176

Note the 'sexual preferences' bit on the very first post there, gives you good indication of what this person is like.

Note also some of the nonsense he has posted - and seems fascinated with Grappling!

[Garland]

Ash...all you do is talk shit, nobody knows who you are, and you post a bunch of jive on something you know nothing about-JKD.

You are one of those assholes who picks up the Tao, watches Enter the Dragon, and decides he's an expert on the art...who's interpretation of Bruce's words is the one and only correct path to ultimate enlightenment and nirvana...dude...you suck at life...I hope you snap out of this narcissism and megalomania before you end up in a padded cell, rocking back and forth, claiming you are Bruce Lee. Hi-ya, my ninja...you're a fucking crackpot.

Seriously man, you're mentally ill...I shouldn't have even tried to argue with you...I should've just let you mumble to yourself and stepped over your sorry ass. My bad.

[jkdgymrat]

I agree, I think Bruce Lee would not want all fronting and flexing that goes on in these forums. Cant we all just get along?..hehe.

I think that the problem is much of what anyone puts on a web forum there is no way to know if it is true. Who should i believe, NCGF or AShtanga05. hard to tell from Internet who is telling true. Kind of like the used car salemen who say trust me..hehe

Perry
JKD Gym Rat

[Little Apple]

Not that this will stop you guys from your very important sounding argument, but if I may insert my own humble opinion:

Bruce Lee was a great man, and it would be silly not to respect him for all he's done. (having agreed that he still teaches BL's curriculum if you want it) It's possibly presumptuous for Guru Dan to continue adding to his own art and thinking of it as JKD. It's possibly presumptuous of anyone to strip him of something BL gave him. It's possibly presumptuous of anyone to be having the argument you are, and it's possible that BL would be ashamed of us all.

But it's also possible that Bruce Lee would mostly just want us to stop the infighting, because whether we learn from each other or just watch each other's backs, we're stronger together. And while it's possible that he would have cared what happened to "Official Fully Important And In All Ways Respected Jeet Kune Do" it's also possible that if we could just live in a way that made us happy and fulfilled, he would approve. If he even felt it was his place to care.

[jubaji]

Go...........away............

Lastly,

Oh, if only that were true!

Nobody here is remotely interested in.

Haven't you gotten it through your pea-brain yet that what no one is remotely interested in is reading more of your bullshit? STFU already, you annoying little troll.

[ASHTANGA05]

Lastly,

Sorry to add but you can expect another very long tedious post by NCQF , try ignore him & hopefully he will go away, its for the best.

Nobody here is remotely interested in Mike Lee, his significance in the martial arts world and his contributions to the martial arts world can be summed up by one word - 'Insignificant'! The other people I have trained with are still all actively teaching, so easy enough to verify I trained with them, and people like Emin Boztepe are light years better in terms of physical skill / knowledge / teaching ability than the likes of Mike Lee.

But still expect a couple of thousand more words from NCQF on the subject - maybe taking my posts paragraph by paragraph & adding his coments below! Sure , it will bore you, me and everyone here to absolute tears , but he has to do it, he is Jesse Glovers / Mike Lee's top student & trained with them the longest & is their 'unofficial spokesman' well at least according to his delusions.

Again, let the final word lie with Jesse Glover (Mike Lee's brother) , he can verify to anyone I did indeed train with him, & that NCQF never trained with Mike Lee & very rarely with Jesse. Anyone can email him, to verify it is that easy! Just private Message me for Jesse's email address , also have his personal phone number & address too, anyone that wants to do so.

[ASHTANGA05]

Note also - NCQF never posted once on this forum before & only has several posts on it now, all on this thread! Speaks volumes. No interest in martial arts discussion, hence no previous posts, and explains his ignorance as to who Gary Dill , Emin Boztepe , etc are.

Again , private message me anyone wants Jesse Glovers personal email address to verify NCQF is a fraud & charlatan with severe delusions he is some kind of expert and lethal weapon. Just as I did ask Jesse direct & as I did send link to NCQF's posts in your email, easy enough to do.

He has done the same routine elsewhere to according to Jesse much to his dismay , jumps in on any discussion concerning Non Classical Gung Fu, Jesse glover, Mike Lee, Bruce's early training in the U.S. , etc - and tries to present himself as an expert and leading authority on those subjects.

[ASHTANGA05]

Contacted Jesse Glover direct and you can do so also, will put his personal email address up for anyone that requires it. NCQF is the FRAUD here, he barely trained with Jesse Glover & NEVER with Mike Lee! Jesse said that he has delusions he is some expert on the subject, & Jesse has told him several times he is free to discuss him, Jesse or Mike Lee just don't make fraudulent claims about his training background.

He continues to act as some pretend spokesman for Jesse Glover/Mike Lee & continues to make false claims about his training background. He barely trained with Jesse for a very short period & never trained with Mike Lee at all.

Jesse Glover knows exactly who this idiot is, and has had to speak about him before.

Again, anyone private message me - I will give you Jesse Glovers private email address & you can verify this yourself.

Funny , too that this person stays silent for several pages of discuss 'Bruce Lee Foundation' thread then when Mike Lee is mentioned he jumps right in, when it is quite inconsequential to the discussion.

Funnier, his pompous, psuedo intellectual reasoning & logic.

As Jesse told me, this person has not trained in more than two decades - 20 years! Which explains how out of touch he is with the martial arts worls, and why he has never even heard of Emin Boztepe , Gary Dill, etc.

Jesse's email begins I5347 for anyone that is actually a student of his, & to verify I have contacted him.

As this thread was on 'Bruce Lee Foundation' we can continue discussing that & related points , and everyone should ignore this fraudster & charlatan.

Again, for those that have not seen him in action Mike Lee is nothing special as a martial artist believe me, and if I had not trained with him I would certainly choose a better martial artist & teacher than him. I have old video of Mike Lee that is rare, I will put it up on youtube.com in the near future when I get the chance, everyone can then see for themself he is not particularly good or talented as a martial artist, and that nobody would make claims to have studies under him if they actually had not, as he is neither a great nor renowned martial artist, nor a very good teacher, and to be honest not a particularly nice person either.

Like NCQF, last I heard Mike Lee no longer teaches, when I stopped training with him , he was still actively teaching; and that he no longer trains in martial arts at all either, and out of shape. Also that he stopped teaching permanently after suffering mental health / psychiatric problems. I've not been in touch with Mike so I do not know for certain he is no longer teaching , or the other stuff as to the reasons why he stopped are true either, its just what I have heard. Haven't bothered asking anyone like Jesse if it is true , as its just plain disrespectful, and I don't think Jesse even keeps in touch with him now either.