A Chinese Ghost Story about Ashtanga Yoga...or: Pakistani Power in JKD?

[DragonsWay]

Crusader,

Glad you did not take offence at me saying that and hope Ashtanga05 doesn't either. After reading what you wrote, I can understand where you are coming from. Best to ignore such people, and as you said they will get taken of the forum eventually. Others should ignore him also or anyone doing likewise, then they will just give up and go away as they may be seeking attention. No disrespect meant with anything I said, you seem like everyday guy on here, and if you don't want to give him or others information don't do so can appreciate what you are saying. Maybe next time people have arguements on here , I will stay out it just happened to look at thread with the title.

I've not seen too many really good martial art films lately either, Tony Ja was good in Ong Bak but the kind of film you watch only for the action. Rush Hour 3 will come next year which I look forward too the first two were really entertaining, not really martial arts films but they do have martial action in them. Not martial arts either but will have fights in it the new James Bond film looks great and it is back to basics no special effects with stunts real stunt people doing them.

[crusader]

I've found a good description of a certain kind of debater:

"...I know some people have made up their minds and don't care what anyone thinks.
It doesn't matter if what one says is really helpful, factual, and relevant and disproves the other person's argument, they just won't listen.
Most of the time it's like talking to a broken record. You say something, they repeat their mantra. You say something else, and they still repeat their mantra. It is a no win situation."

Wise words, thanks, Grand Dragon...

That's what I encountered with Ash / Basil / JKDMaestro / Eshal / Sajid Khan / Reekie, therefore I stopped to be nice and polite to him. There are others who have no patience for a guy like him, and take him quickly off of their board.

Regards

[crusader]

Hi DragonsWay,

thanks for your feedback. I have a normal life with a family and job, and don't need pats on my back within forums. I'm pretty much aware there are no ultimate knock-down arguments on forums, and that we deal with big boys who can take care of themselves !

This whole thing started about somewhere in the last year. I wasn't the only one this chameleon was going against, except that no one took him really serious very long, but that's not to say I do so. It was long since before Ash got the title "Baxtard's ass clown" on Paul Bax's board. It's no big deal, but Ashtanga has shown he really stops at nothing. Since he hurts civile rights which no one is going against by legal action, I thought he's maybe at least good for some joking. There is nothing to be afraid of, since Ash is just a coward who issue faked challenges of which he dictates the conditions, in the hope the other doesn't accept his conditions. When someone turns the table on him and invites him as Tommy's student John Conlin did, he just waits some time until it is forgotten. No one really persists after realizing he would just kick a dead horse.

As for going for the bait "to be secretive" - to be nice to him is to be cruel to yourself, therefore why giving him any information? He's known for twisting words, and using any information he got for his negative propaganda. As for being fanatic or considering myself as some kind of autority / expert it's laughable, but why defending myself? It's him who has become fanatic about certain people, though in a negative way. It is him who wants some information, as he doesn't really know a thing. It is him who takes offense to people in JKD he doesn't like. He's just a mugger, a troublemaker with a bad policy, appearing nice to begin with posing strategic questions doesn't change a thing...

You're excused because you cannot know it, but just ask about half a dozen people this forum (Garland, jubaji, ncgf, Tim McFatridge, JKDGuy, the rest I forgot), as well as the likes of Tim Tackett, Patrick Strong (and his student), the moderators on Tommy's board, and many members of Paul Bax's board .The list is long. Emin Boztepe has advised to not take this idiot any serious. Well, I don't, but his scorched earth policy wasted enough time and nerves, so why not poking some fun at him?

What do you think, DragonsWay, is such a person worth the time and effort ?

I'm not the only one thinking he is a no good person who should be erased immediately once he is detected. As the case arises each moderator will decide, of course, therefore they should at least know about the existence of such a fool, and his specific "handwriting". Though I stand by comment about the non-existence of real knock-down arguments, it's not a total no win situation.

Thanks for your compliment, I just know the movie title. I cannot remember the last time I have seen a really good martial arts movie.

Take care

[DragonsWay]

The thread title intrigued me which is why I looked at the thread so Crusader you may have script writing potential if you ever want to go into movies.

Has anyone seen the movie 'A Chinese Ghost Story' from 1987 starrring Leslie Cheung, Wu Ma, Joey Wong. It is classic movie for that time, the effects may look little dated now but still very entertaining. It had two sequels as well just called the same 2 and 3. Both were good as well, though the first was bit better.

That would be good way to turn this thread around to more positive note martial arts movies. Crusader as you had that name in title have you seen that film or you chose title for thread at random or from book. What do you think of it, what other films do you like? Ashtanga05 have you seen the film, what other films do you like?

I have old VHS of Chinese Ghost Story but it is available on remastered DVD I have heard, though I have not come across it in stores yet. My VHS copy is subtitled with those real strain your eyes fast moving subtitles that don't sound very accurate a lot of the time. Do you mind subtitled films or prefer dubbed, I do not mind either if it is well done, nothing could be worse than watching very badly dubbed film or a subtitled one with hard to read subtitles or in broken english.

[DragonsWay]

For Crusader and Ashtanga05 one other solution is to make up and be friends, agree you have differences but debating them is not worth it. For either of you don't take offence at me or anyone else saying give it a break, but people come here for discussion and it clogs up the boards when people argue. I only clicked on this thread because of the intriguing title, was wondering what it could be about, then find out it is basically few people arguing. If you both want to make up and be friends it would be for the best, same for any people that argue all the time. Don't take it personal either that I or others think you are both in the wrong, who has done more wrong if either, I do not know as I don't know either of you but if you are both content to argue then most would say you are equally to blame. If all these things Ashtanga05 is meant to have said or done are true from Crusaders posts, maybe it is understandable in some respect Crusader having a go at him, but it comes down to one mans word against another.

I hope you will not both team up and attack me now. I was just saying what others were thinking as well time to give it a rest or it will just go on forever. You can contact each other if you want to discuss or make friends, or at least agree with each other not to keep arguing on the forum.

[DragonsWay]

Both Crusader and Ashtanga05 give it a break please.

Or if you want to discuss all this maybe best to do it with messaging not on this forum.

No offence nor disrespect intended but you both sound like complete hypocrites who need to take a good look at themselves, before launching attacks on anyone else.

Crusader you go on about Ashtanga's agenda and his character, yet you never explain your agenda? It also seems strange you completely refuse to answer any questions on your martial arts history from Ashtanga, more to the point would be that you pretend you never read them being asked in the first place. I don't agree with much of what Ashtanga05 or yourself has to say, but would have to agree with Ashtanga on that you are being very secretive , and seem to want to do nothing but argue with Ashtanga for the fun of it. Saying you are looking out for friends that Ashtanga has said things about doesn't cut it at all, I'm sure they are perfectly capable of speaking for themselves, and maybe you have emotional insecurities if you feel the constant need to get pats on the back all the time from people you claim to be defending. If you look at this thread you started before Ashtanga started posting on it, you will realise basically nobody had much interest in what you had to say hence few posting on it, so again please give it a rest! Thank you on behalf of all here.

Ashtanga05, I've only seen few of your other posts and I'm not going to read through all of them for the sake of it, so I do not know where all this started. You are equally to blame as Crusader, it takes two to tango, if Crusader posts any more stuff or starts any new threads regarding you, don't answer them just ignore it, or take it elsewhere use the messaging to talk with each other. Nobody has much interest in what you have to say either. Your personal attacks on Crusader or anyone else aren't worth reading, opinions are fine but you seem to want to argue and put down people for no reason. Crusader may have started this thread, but you had to contribute to it , nobody has much interest in what you have to say either, so please give it a rest! Thank you on behalf of all here.

If this nonsense keeps up between you both on this or another thread , you should both be banned permanently.

[crusader]

Blah blah blah blah blah blah lah

You take this stuff and yourself too serious, son

[ASHTANGA05]

Crusader ,

Once more you spout any old BS to avoid speaking about your martial arts training background - several times you have been asked & still no answers.

Whats more, I accurately predicted EVERYTIME you would spout any old BS to avoid revealing your training background.

EVERY single person here sees through your actions, blatantly transparent for all to see, and you fool and grand total of zero people.

Emin Boztepe would recognise and know me if he saw me again for sure, you know how many students he had in Germany alone? Actually, he left the EWTO he broke of contact with basically everyone in it, you were either for or against him, that was a good few years ago, and to remember every student he has had by name he must be MR Amazing Memory.

WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH POSTING YOUR MARTIAL ARTS TRAINING BACKGROUND???? EVERYONE ELSE READING THIS THREAD IS WONDERING THE SAME TOO - WHY IS CRUSADER (ANDREAS) GOING TO SUCH ELABORATE LENGTHS TO AVOID POSTING HIS TRAINING BACKGROUND???? If your background is indeed not so pathetic and limited, why not post it, what have you got to hide. As you are a real 'know it all' and fountain of all knowledge on JKD & BL (& self proclaimed one of the worlds greatest historians on JKD & BL) , why not post your extensive background & credentials for all to see???

PREDICTION again - he will not post his background & post instead a 'smokescreen' of long winded drivel to avoid revealing it, watch this space as they say................................................................ (haven't been wrong on my predictions yet, he is so predictable!)

[crusader]

JKDGUY,

thanks for being constructive. Unfortunately Ash is a really unscrupulous person who doesn't flinch from spinning intrigues, libel and slander, not even from illegal actions, and he won't stop until his true identity is finally revealed, as it wasn't enough to expose him as the spineless coward, liar and fraud he actually is.
I'm aware there are no real knock down-arguments on forums, but nonetheless...

Ash,

my posting is not pointless as you've shown clearly you stop at nothing. Secondly, I stick up for a good friend, though I doubt you know the meaning of the word "friend", the sick individual you are...

Huh, you challenged me on Bax?? Can you quote it, please? Besides, YOU recently WROTE on this forum YOU WERE NOT this "ReekievonNinjaKeekie"?:

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/showpost.php?p=234537&postcount=5

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/showpost.php?p=234561&postcount=10

Enlighten me, please, as it looks like you tend to FORGET YOUR LIES from yesterday

SPELLING my name WRONGLY because Rafael wrote it this way on Bax's forum is just another example for your ACTUAL "KNOWLEDGE" and its sources (Thanks, Raf, for spelling my name like that, as it has proven a point).

All the stuff you made up doesn't change a thing, and are just poor attempts to PROVOKE people get some REAL INFORMATION you so hardly want. Well, people don't go for your BAIT.

You don't really BOTHER to be exposed as a liar and fraud, maybe to some extent because the "CREDIBILITY" you need for the next forum suffers one more time, but not really agonize over it. Besides, Emin Boztepe doesn't know you.

You NEVER INTENDED to ever fight people, let alone meeting them. To set the RECORD STRAIGHT I told you my PHONE NUMBER AND LOCATION via private message, but nothing ever happened. The SAME with Rafael, John (Tommy's student), and many others, on this as well Tackett's forum. There exist private messages, e-mails and postings of all of this. Well, JKDGUY has has mentioned it in his posting above, too...

In your poor attempts to make politics you're even UNSCRUPULOUS enough to put some ILLEGAL ACTION into it, as changing original documents like e-mails, and sending them to other people.

Everyone has JUST to ASK Pat Strong who is a nice man with some integrity about the stuff you made up concerning the e-mails of his student.

No matter if you're a guy or gal, you're either a WELL-KNOWN PERSON or someone who takes a SERIOUS RISK by mentioning his real name.

Your set smoke screens about your true identity and lineage, by shooting against EVERYONE without exception. The fact you DON'T KNOW A THING lets assume you're either a 'lonesome (keyboard) warrior' or belonging to a BRANCH OF JKD which has ISOLATED itself from others and their knowledge....

I hope the existence of people who do their own thing in JKD are not a real threat to your existence, but let me tell you your hostile and poor trials of character assassination doesn't change a thing in JKD's land, especially not the REPETITION OF WELL-KNOWN TACTICS AND RHETORICS you come up all the time like "delusions of grandeur" (just read the e-mails to Rafael above), "dodging / ducking to questions", "self-proclaimed autority / expert", "PEOPLE know you / you're known by MOST as...", "I contacted the JKD organization xy and told them about you....", "pompous / pretentious and pseudo intellectual", "I predict in your next posting", blah blah blah ....

It also belongs to your TACTICS to address actions, attitudes and attributes YOU DISPLAY ALL THE TIME to other people (like setting smoke screens, hanging around on every JKD forum and posting a lot of useless shit, being predictable, etc.), TWISTING their words as we had you with Tim Tackett, etc. I'm not sure if you think you can FOOL people by that ??

I would say come back by finally telling our REAL NAME and AGENDA but this will NEVER happen !

I got your PRIVATE MESSAGE, but please don't send more to me, as I know you're unscrupulous enough to change stuff.

[JKDGUY]

Well Ashtanga and Crusader atleast you both agree that this crap needs to stop.
As far as challenges on the internet we all know that they are always issued by people but are mostly never followed through with. Ash, I seem to remember several post where you were bashing Larry Hartsell and Dan and you actually offended a lot of people by your comments. Actually it wasn't what you said as much as how you said those things. And you had one or two guys come out and challenge you on here and then alot of private emails were exchanged between you and those two guys where you were giving all the conditions of the fight if it was to ever take place and it just continued. Now I am friends with both of those guys and have trained with one of them on a few occasions when he has made the trip to the place where I train. My point is, that WE ARE ALL guilty of letting our emotions get the best of us at one time or another especially when we are talking about a subject that we are all very passionate about. I also want to point out that when someone comes in to a public forum and starts talking in a negative manner about another instructor then it is to be expected for that instructor's students to get upset and try to take up for their instructor.

I am not saying that you can not say anything bad about other people in here just we keep in mind what we are saying and how it will be perceived by others that come along and read it.
We are martial artist and we should be better than that. This is the main thing that s wrong with JKD today...to many people go around bitching about other instructors and spend to much time putting other instructors down. If we would spend as much time working on ourselves and our martial arts and work on improving our fighting ability as we do complaining then we would all be great fighters.

Always take the high road my brothers and always be the bigger person.

[ASHTANGA05]

JKD Guy,

You are right! But note Crusader started this thread read his first post -pathetic attempt at comedy, and completely pointless.

SEE ABOVE Crusader once more posts anything to avoid revealing his martial arts background, obviously so poor a backrgound it would be too embarrassing to put down for all to see, especially when you are trying to put yourself across as a JKD expert & top BL historian (of which he is actually neither). Whats more every single person reading this sees it too, and wonders - why is Crusader avoiding those simple questions regarding his martial arts background what has he got to hide???

Again, call me psychic that I have accurately predicted in his next two posts he would avoid answereing those simple questions on his training backround, and I predict he will do it in his next post below this one! Don't be fooled he has a lot to hide and dodges questions like those for a reason!

As for challenges, again comical and ironic he talks of them. I challenged him, he made every excuse in the book not to accept - he was not a fighter, had no reason to fight, nothing to prove, etc; then when I mentioned it publically he became Mr Tough Guy Rambo pretended to accept to save face. As he talks of challenges he avoids discussion on his hero Tommy Carruthers being a coward and ducking out direct face to face challenges from both Rick Young and Marc McFann; and Tommy was visibly shaking and afraid , and crumbled so much he said he loved JKD Concepts & Dan Inosanto and wanted to become an Instructor under him! If you must talk on challenges look at bit closer to home as they say before you speak about others. How strange Bruce Lee No. 2 , and amazing martial artist (according to Crusader at least) Tommy would be visibly shaking, afraid and crumble so badly in the face of real challenge; especially as he claims his Original JKD is purely for the street?

Nobody is interested in this rubbish, you are right JKD Guy, but Crusader started this thread (just read his bizarre first post - witless, humourless & utterly pointless! Though I suspect sadly it was meant to be humourous very worrying indeed!).

***** Again Crusader will post more rubbish boring people on here to tears, and again refuse to say anything on his martial arts training background - he has a lot to hide after all! Oh and of course ignore commenting on his hero being scared and turning down direct challenges. His tactics are becoming rather transparent for all to see.

[crusader]

JKDGUY,

you're right. It's time to learn my lesson, too.

The guy turned yellow spine and when Rafael Figuera, Pat Strong's student accepted his challenge he tucked tail like he did with John Conlin and others. We all had this before. He wrote some long shit and a private message, but I'm just too tired....

The false stuff he made up was entertaining for some time as he was making himself the laughing stock of each and every JKD forum. Come on, it has become boring. On Tommy's forum he was prowling around like a vagabond, but they just erased this nutter instantly.

"Peter Daniels" or "Peter von Daniels" is a fake. He doesn't even remember the stuff he made up yesterday, or who he likes today. Emin Boztepe doesn't even know the name, and adviced to the members of this forum "to not take this idiot any serious".

Can't even write my name correctly. Spell ceck didn't work this time, Mr "intellectual superior" with "Mensa tested I.Q."?

[JKDGUY]

Is this crap starting all over again...come on man...can someone do something about this and not let this thread turn in to another locked down thread because Ashtanga and others can not keep from fighting with each other. Ash you are complaining that crusader is not being forthcoming with all of his martial arts background...who he trained with or what he trained in. On the other threads that you posted in that are now locked and closed it took you about three pages of people calling you out and asking you for the same info before you finally came out with your training background and on those threads you never gave your name. I say drop the whole thing and move on to another topic. Neither one of you are ever going to agree on anything! On that we can all be sure. Ash, you are never going to like Tommy Carruthers and you are never going to like Dan Inosanto or Larry Hartsell or anyone who trains uner them because in your mind they have done more to hurt JKD than just about anyone. Crusader you are never going to like Ashtanga because you do not trust him nor believe him. Ok...we all understand that. Ash has had run ins with several of the members on this forum...in the end he is completely entitled to his opinions and his views and we can not change that and it does no good to argue about it on here. Drop the subject and move on to something that is more constructive and more beneficial for this forum and this thread.

[ASHTANGA05]

Call me Psychic! There you have it Crusader (Andreas Mersch) summed up nicely - post anything talk about anything just don't answer any direct questions.

As I predicted more 'smokescreens' to hide not giving answers to the simple who have you trained with , etc.

His next post he will do the same, and the one after that and so forth....... ad infinitum. Everyone here gets the point - you like debating and talking about JKD , but have done very little in the way of training - hence being unable and unwilling to state exactly who you have trained with and for how long. And to state what qualifications you hold in any martial arts, or whether you are an Instructor in any.

I don't blame you either, trying to be a 'know it all' on JKD & BL but actually practicising very little goes flat out against all BL stood for - 'knowing is not enough, we must do (apply)'. The fact you go to such dramatic lengths to hide your martial arts background speaks volumes - you obviously have very weak m. arts background, and stating exactly what you have done would make you look rather foolish.

As can be seen in the videos with Tommy Carruthers , you are guy with glasses looking out of shape and bit overweight (George Michael lookalike i.e. very gay looking), standing like a school kid looking awestruck at the amazing Tommy.

If you are such a great JKD man, and so knowledgable - why are you not an Instructor under Tommy Carruthers or anyone else in JKD? Why not get out and practice it hard instead of lurking around forums discussing it? These are mysteries that will probably never be explained.

It is rather ironic you talk of challenges too, you ducked a direct challenge with me , when I stated that publically - suddenly you became Mr Tough Guy and pretended to accept; previously you made all manner of excuses. Even more ironic is that as you well know your hero - Tommy Carruthers ducked out of direct face to face challenges with Rick Young & Mark McFann (easily verified contacting either is easy), like yourself he made all manner of excuses, and did not have the courage of his convictions to repeat the numerous negative things he had said about JKD Concepts, Dan Inosanto, etc face to face - he actually crumbled so badly and was visibly shaking and afraid he even said he loved Dan Inosanto, and wished he was an Instructor under him! Unreal as Tommy criticises JKD Concepts constantly and many people doing it - on his forum and to his students. Very strange and ironic too, when he claims Original JKD is just for the street, etc.

Your first post the racist 'paki' comment was out of order and if it was even an attempt to be witty, intelligent, or humourous I'm afraid it failed miserably on all counts, and one can only feel sorry for you. Maybe its the language problem, you are German and it's not your first language.

I WILL NOT POST AGAIN , UNLESS CRUSADER (ANDREAS) STATES - exactly who he has trained with in martial arts, for how long, what his qualifications are in any art, Instructor under whom??? As I correctly predicted the last time he will avoid answering those very simple questions - he has after all a lot to hide, and in order to at least try to maintain the self proclaimed status of top JKD & BL historian he is not willing to disclose such details. As such everyone can see the sort of person he is, and draw their own conclusions - anyone talking a lot on forums on martial arts that goes to such elaborate lengths to avoid divulging details of their m. arts training background is clearly doing so for a reason.

Incidentally, Andreas you are clearly deluded and under the false impression that people are very interested in anything you write, such is not the case. Your first post here had zero point, was not remotely witty or funny (assume it was meant to be , hard to tell actually), just pointless.

Okay so ask more questions, post long post of nonsense, use circular reasoning - any tactics ; are what Crusader will do next post as he did above to avoid answering simple questions, just watch.....................................

(I have said my peace, and trying to discuss with individuals like Crusader is a serious exercise in futility, so let him post whatever he likes boring people to tears inthe process and of course you've guessed it avoiding at all costs stating his m. arts training background).

[crusader]

Well, one of the board's moderators called you "just another nutter"

Let's leave it as that..