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[Tom Yum]

Rudy Tooty Fresh n' Fruity sent me a similar message. He's just being an attention whore now lol.

[ncgf]

Rudy's True Charcter?

While I normally do not share what goes on in PMs, and I take full responsibility for my part in the PM game that Rudy and I have been having the last couple of days (although I must say that it was initiated by Rudy, but hey, I love to play). I am also sure that Rudy has been having it with some others as well (seems he want to voice his opinion, but doesnt want others to respond to it if it isnt in agreement).

And, while I certainly dont take his comments personally (I have been commenting to him in regards to his extremem weight), I did think some might be interested in part of his most recent vitriolic comments and that these might help shed some light on his character and his views. Perhaps you (moderator) should just put this thread down and be done with Rudy. He obviously has issues and a lack of respect for the military (apparently the Marines in particular) and those who have served.

Listen you old **** (1978), get your head out of your ass and push along.You should be a fucking E-9 by now if your still a marine, or are you some kind of homeless vet thinking about how your DI ass pumped behind the barracks, now I know why you have some much shame your one of those mucho macho sword swallowing jarheads, get the **** over it. I have plenty of disciplined. I finish the food on my plate.

[Thai Bri]

Let's crytalise this.

Rudy, what are your beefs with Tackett?

[Tom Yum]

Mike,

I think you have been more than fair. However, I have not changed the focus. He has seen your posts (he was last on this morning at 10:00am) and has not replied. Speaks volumes both in terms of integrity from himself and respect for you.

ncgf, I took a look at the CPSD website. It looks fishy and hastily put together...

[ncgf]

ncgf,
Please refrain from changing the focus. I don't want Rudy feeling as though he has to defend himself here. I want him to feel free to explain the issue at hand. If you go after him, he's going to focus on refuting that, and not on getting to the meat of the issue.

Rudy,
If you'll post your explanation of things - the whole story, as it were - I'll close the thread immediately so that it won't become a sharpshooting match with people picking apart your response. I'm serious. I'm not picking on you, and if you will actually explain your side of it all, I'll publicly apologize for my end here. I may still disagree with you, and I promise I'll still disagree with the way you approached it, but you'll have earned some measure of respect for your views.

Mike,

I think you have been more than fair. However, I have not changed the focus. He has seen your posts (he was last on this morning at 10:00am) and has not replied. Speaks volumes both in terms of integrity from himself and respect for you.

[Tom Yum]

Thanks for your support, I knew you would come around, but I never thought you would give me a complment..

Rudy

Sarcasm and oxygen are wasted on you.

[ncgf]

I have not wavered in my posts though I can admit that I have responded in kind to various insults and challenges from individuals that have not identified themselves. You have read my real name, seen my real photo and have my real phone number, and still attacked me as a phony loud mouth. I have answered some of your specific questions, only to be accused of having no credibility or making unfounded slanderous remarks.

Actually, it was you who first began "throwing out insults". Please refer to your original post on this thread.

Okay let's say I play along, what can I say that will justify what I have already said in the past?

How is it that an educated man (who stated that he is 'educated, with a degree in CJ) needs this explained over and over. You chose to make accusations on this public forum. All anyone here has asked is that you provide the details and specific examples (that can be validated by third party) of the accusations you have made in the same forum. Seems like a reasonable request, given that you began all this on this forum which really has no connection to you or the WNG. Tell us exactly what was done and by whom, when it was done, and who else was around to validate what you claim occurred.

I have a question for you MB that can be answered in a PM, who have you spoken to and and what do they bring to the table?

Again, as Mike said, it was you who chose to air your dirty laundry in a public forum. If you are brave enough, tough enough, and have such integrity, then be man enough to answer, with specific examples that can be validated by third party, the accusations you have made.

I am not trying to be a wise cracking asshole, I am being truly serious, but I am not looking for sympathy or acceptance at the expense of the truth. You may not find honor in my tactics, which is your right to an opinion, but you will not meet a man with more integrity or information on this particular subject.

A man of integrity has no need to state that he is a man of integrity. If you were a man of integrity, you wold not have brought your dirty luandry to a forum that has nothing to do with your personal life.

[Rudy Franco]

So Rudy,
I have heard from several people (ironically, none of them have been you) regarding why your falling out with Tackett went the way it did.

Allow me to say that if there is any credibility to any of it, you actually have reason to be upset, and a good foundation for your actions. I would find your actions justifiable if still a little ham-handed if what I'm hearing is actually true, and it would make my image of you change somewhat. Which begs the question:

If you really do have a legitimate beef, why the hell would you start such a mud-slinging row and not fill everyone in on your side of things? You've made yourself look like a total jackass, and you've embarrassed yourself, your instructor, and virtually anyone who would publicly associate with you. You've drawn all kinds of fire, and you've changed the focus of the argument from what it should have been all along to what has come across an an unmitigated adolescent temper tantrum.

So I'll ask again, politely this time. Since it sounds like there's a much deeper story, and it sounds like you may have a truly legitimate complaint, would you please explain your side if the falling out with Tim Tackett in a little bit more detail?

I'm not asking so that an argument will ramp up again. I'm asking because I'd like to air out both sides. If you'd be willing to do that, and to discuss it honestly and openly, I'd be willing to apologize for being so confrontational myself. If not, I think the entire thread needs to go away, since it really only represents you hurling unjustified insults at Tim Tackett and his group. Until you provide some justification, we'll err on the side of fairness.

Hoping for your input,
MB

I have not wavered in my posts though I can admit that I have responded in kind to various insults and challenges from individuals that have not identified themselves. You have read my real name, seen my real photo and have my real phone number, and still attacked me as a phony loud mouth. I have answered some of your specific questions, only to be accused of having no credibility or making unfounded slanderous remarks.

Okay let's say I play along, what can I say that will justify what I have already said in the past?

I have a question for you MB that can be answered in a PM, who have you spoken to and and what do they bring to the table?

I am not trying to be a wise cracking asshole, I am being truly serious, but I am not looking for sympathy or acceptance at the expense of the truth. You may not find honor in my tactics, which is your right to an opinion, but you will not meet a man with more integrity or information on this particular subject.

[Rudy Franco]

Hey Rudy,

Thanks for the colorful compliment in the PM, that's very compassionate of you. You're such a charming fellow. lol.

Thanks for your support, I knew you would come around, but I never thought you would give me a complment..

Rudy

[Tom Yum]

Hey Rudy,

Thanks for the colorful compliment in the PM, that's very compassionate of you. You're such a charming fellow. lol.

[Tom Yum]

Thanks for the good words, Mike.

[Thai Bri]

Be fair guys. He's just finishing his dinner.

He'll be here in a week.

[Tom Yum]

As a newbie to all things military, I'm interested myself to see what Rudy has to say. I know I've got a lot to learn.

Boot and indoc are coming up - I'm a little scared, but I'm more excited than scared. Should I be?

[Tom Yum]

Why does this sound so close to the posts and tactics from Ashtanga05?

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/showthread.php?p=234524#post234524

You obviously feel comfortable talking smack to people like Mike, whom you know will go above and beyond to respect others, when you think others can't hear you - why is that, Rudy? Come on out in the open and say what you said to Mike.

Where's the high horse now?

I give you credit for having the balls to actually put your derrogatory words in writing and deliver it to Mike, rather than back tracking and having to BS what you were saying to protect your own ego.

I'm still amazed that you have the tenacity to call the founders of the group, an old-school UDT, a Marine and two bouncers as guys who "don't understand combat!"

Hey, if you think you got wronged by some folks at the WNG, you should have made your case from the beginning but you've been nothing but a prick to everyone here who might have helped you!

and it started here...

The rest of you have shown no knowledge of the military, police, corrections, and have shown absolutely zero knowledge about real street situations. You would be better off teaching tetherball.

-CPSD Head Coach Lloyd "Snooks" Kennedy
-CPSD Instructor's Rudy Franco

[ncgf]

I just got a lovely e-mail from Rudy. He apparently really wants me to call him. I called both he and Lloyd to get clarification on this stuff and left them messages. They called back and left messages, too. Then it turned into the weekend, and I really didn't want to waste a lot of time talking to someone that full of hot air. Rather than just call me back, he sent me a nasty e-mail. It was pretty good, but he asked that it be kept confidential, and so I'm going to leave out any specifics. Apparently, he's got lots to say on this topic, but he doesn't want to do it here in the open where everyone can see.

Telling...

He'll talk shit in private and request that it not be shared, but when it comes to answering questions out in the open, it's all about ducking, dodging, and running to his Instructor.

Assuming he doesn't mind, I'll post the content of the phone call tomorrow or the next day. Of course, I will (as promised) keep it confidential if he wants me to do so.

Well, isnt that special. Rudy will come on all tough and post the original BS, but want the specifics kept secret?

All I want to know, and you dont have to reveal the specifics of either the call or email, is are his claims provable or are they accusations that he is making and did not back up?

Although, maybe Rudy is just a "very sensitive" kind of guy. I mean he does seem to have a "unusually close" relationship with his teacher. Not that there would be nothing wrong with that, mind you, but certainly would expalin a number of things wouldnt it...lol.