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[Rudy Franco]

I know quite a bit about you. I don't care about certificates or all the neat little red electrical-tape-stripes on your belt. I don't even care that someone else here thinks your eating habits are more diligent than your training habits. Like I said, and I'll use small words, THIS IS NOT ABOUT MARTIAL ARTS. IT'S ABOUT YOUR COMPLETE LACK OF CLASS.

My God! You can't see what a "I took my own Mom to the Prom" vibe that puts out?

For someone who's supposed to be this self-defense wonder, you sure seem to lack the confidence of your convictions. Gotta consult with witnesses and friends and instructors before posting an explanation for your own points of view? Guess how many friends and instructors I consulted with.

Mike,

You don't know shit about me, I never went to finishing school and I quit my "class" class. My mom was in jail, so I took your mom to the prom after party and sold her for an eight ball of crank, to which she promptly demanded half. Never claimed to be a wonder and I am glad you like looking at my picture, it gets me all moist in my nether regions that I haven't seen in a long time. I don't have any convictions all the charges were dropped, your mom didn't press charges. None, because you don't have any. Seize the day, we can all carpool to Lloyd's for a BBQ, I love BBQ. How bout you, tough guys?

[g-bells]

mr franco all politics aside, i don't know you or mr tackett for that matter, but to openly piss on a man of his history in a public forum in my opinion is wrong.

i mean no disrespect to you but thats just my oppinion

[ncgf]

carpe diem gentleman

or in Rudy's case,

carpe twinkie

lol

[g-bells]

carpe diem gentleman

[ncgf]

With who, Rudy or Tackett?

neither.

but i have seen both websites, and i have to say, as an example of a martial arts instructor under the dreaded and deadly lloyd kennedy, its obvious that being in shape isnt a requirement for instructorship under him. I have to wonder exactly how long Rudy had to stay down on Lloyd to get the "senior instructorship"..lol

now lets wait for Rudy to tell us that in spite of his obesity, he is an in shape badass mf and will, no doubt, kick my ass if I come to Cali...lol.

[ncgf]

Mike,

That what i said...lol.



Rudy,

I thought fat people were supposed to be jolly, happy people?....lol

[Rudy Franco]

I just read Tim's site. Specifically, the bio section. It's too much to cut and paste, but allow me to synopsize.

Bert poe and Sonny Bygum, two deceased former members of the group are credited with much of the overall training spirit of the bunch. Poe was a Marine in Korea, and left service due to a shrapnel injury. This injury eventually led to his demise in 1993. His colleague, Mr. Bygum was one of the original frogmen, a Navy UDT swimmer. To say that these men knew nothing of combat is insane, especially coming from a non-military, non-law-enforcement pogue. Moving on to the ones who are still there.

Bob Bremer and Jim Sewell are self-described bikers who worked the bars in Barstow. I've been there. if they indeed worked where they say they did, they know all about fighting. As some of the regulars here are aware, I was also a bouncer for many years, and those lessons are some of the most enlightening of my entire martial life. I have no doubts that fighting swarms of people, drunks, and cocky Naval Infantrymen (sorry all you Marines out there...I couldn't pass it up) taught them many of the same lesson I learned, and more.

Bremer has a well-known reputation for being a fighter way back when Bruce Lee was alive. Nuff said.

Tim Tackett was deployed to Taiwan, which is hardly comparable to doing JROTC time stateside. And if you've never been sent away to another country by your government (and I mean in any capacity, let alone for three years) then you have no right - none whatsoever - to run your mouth and slander the service of those who have. Further, Tim Tackett studied under or with Bob Bremer, Dan Lee, Richard Bustillo, Jerry Poteet, and Pete Jacobs. Later Chris Kent, Ted Lucay Lucay, and Jeff Imada. Franco: you saying those guys suck?

Now, and this is a big point for me, the group of men you are trash-talking are around or beyond the 60-year-old mark. What do you want from them? Should they be slamming each other to the ground every night? Should they be going full-tilt-boogie with heavy rattan, or blasting each other in the face? Here's where you show that you're a puppy, Rudy. These men have earned the right to train what they enjoy. They've done their fighting, and survived their battles. They've worn uniforms and collected their scars. The reason they know they can fight is because they have, and in so doing, they probably learned a lesson that appears to escape you completely. They learned that there's always someone better out there, and walking around trying to be a badass is a good way to meet that person in the most unfortunate of ways. You insult this group of men who've seen and done everything you aspire to like they've never walked the ground you have, to date, been unable or unwilling to walk. Where have you served, Rudy? Does your authority to criticize come from the certificate on your wall, or the shrapnel in your spine?

I think, after looking over both websites, that the real issue is far removed from anyone's taste in jokes or business models. Someone wiser than I once said the things you tend to find the most difficulty with in others are the very issues you need to deal with in yourself. You could have been a man about this and dealt with Tim Tackett and his group man to man. You chose instead to pull a stunt akin to a political campaign. You could have left it alone, knowing that all parties involved had read your manifesto. You could have lived up to your own bullshit and let it go. Tim Tackett obviously did. You've come across like an adolescent, temper-tantrum-throwing, wet behind the ears puppy. That was made worse still by running to your instructor in a modern-day, keyboard warrior version of "My Daddy can beat up your Daddy." Like it or not, you've handled yourself badly, and you've made a mockery of all the things you hoped would make you look good. What's worse, you're probably still sitting in your chair trying to convince yourself that all this is being said by someone who just doesn't know you or how you train. This isn't about who's better, who can fight, or who can teach. It's not about martial arts at all, really.

It's about manners, class, and basic respect. You've shown precious little of any of them.

Bert Poe and Sonny Bygum are dead and are not the the driving force behind the so called WNG anymore. Tackett's senior students have left him. What is he left with Tim Tackett's WNG. We left Bob Bremer out of it and Sewel's in Tenn. not worrying about it.

"Tim Tackett studied under or with Bob Bremer, Dan Lee, Richard Bustillo, Jerry Poteet, and Pete Jacobs. Later Chris Kent, Ted Lucay Lucay, and Jeff Imada." Franco: you saying those guys suck?"

Are they members of the WNG? No they are not, so where is the connection.

The service issue has been addressed.

You don't know shit about me, I don't have any certificates hand on a wall, just promotions in a folder somewhere. But a piece of paper won't help you in the street anyway.

Blah, blah, blah keyboard warrior Blah, blah, blah Daddy blah blah blah shoulda woulda coulda blah blah blah silence is not innocence Blah blah blah

What battles has Tackett survived?

The only scars he has are from shaving. You are out of your f***ing mind.

I know you have to show strong for the other punks but **** you and anybody else who doesn't like my methods or ways. You had your minds made up long ago, either way what's done is done.

What I posted is just the tip of the iceberg. Hey, Tackett let's not forget I turned your instructorship down when I was a mere green belt. What was that six-seven years ago?

So what is our motivation money? Fame? Converts? How about the truth, because remember, we don't teach JKD. You are all a bunch of ill informed clowns grasping at straws and defending a lost cause. The WNG is through.

[Rudy Franco]

I just read Tim's site. Specifically, the bio section. It's too much to cut and paste, but allow me to synopsize.

Bert poe and Sonny Bygum, two deceased former members of the group are credited with much of the overall training spirit of the bunch. Poe was a Marine in Korea, and left service due to a shrapnel injury. This injury eventually led to his demise in 1993. His colleague, Mr. Bygum was one of the original frogmen, a Navy UDT swimmer. To say that these men knew nothing of combat is insane, especially coming from a non-military, non-law-enforcement pogue. Moving on to the ones who are still there.

Bob Bremer and Jim Sewell are self-described bikers who worked the bars in Barstow. I've been there. if they indeed worked where they say they did, they know all about fighting. As some of the regulars here are aware, I was also a bouncer for many years, and those lessons are some of the most enlightening of my entire martial life. I have no doubts that fighting swarms of people, drunks, and cocky Naval Infantrymen (sorry all you Marines out there...I couldn't pass it up) taught them many of the same lesson I learned, and more.

Bremer has a well-known reputation for being a fighter way back when Bruce Lee was alive. Nuff said.

Tim Tackett was deployed to Taiwan, which is hardly comparable to doing JROTC time stateside. And if you've never been sent away to another country by your government (and I mean in any capacity, let alone for three years) then you have no right - none whatsoever - to run your mouth and slander the service of those who have. Further, Tim Tackett studied under or with Bob Bremer, Dan Lee, Richard Bustillo, Jerry Poteet, and Pete Jacobs. Later Chris Kent, Ted Lucay Lucay, and Jeff Imada. Franco: you saying those guys suck?

Now, and this is a big point for me, the group of men you are trash-talking are around or beyond the 60-year-old mark. What do you want from them? Should they be slamming each other to the ground every night? Should they be going full-tilt-boogie with heavy rattan, or blasting each other in the face? Here's where you show that you're a puppy, Rudy. These men have earned the right to train what they enjoy. They've done their fighting, and survived their battles. They've worn uniforms and collected their scars. The reason they know they can fight is because they have, and in so doing, they probably learned a lesson that appears to escape you completely. They learned that there's always someone better out there, and walking around trying to be a badass is a good way to meet that person in the most unfortunate of ways. You insult this group of men who've seen and done everything you aspire to like they've never walked the ground you have, to date, been unable or unwilling to walk. Where have you served, Rudy? Does your authority to criticize come from the certificate on your wall, or the shrapnel in your spine?

I think, after looking over both websites, that the real issue is far removed from anyone's taste in jokes or business models. Someone wiser than I once said the things you tend to find the most difficulty with in others are the very issues you need to deal with in yourself. You could have been a man about this and dealt with Tim Tackett and his group man to man. You chose instead to pull a stunt akin to a political campaign. You could have left it alone, knowing that all parties involved had read your manifesto. You could have lived up to your own bullshit and let it go. Tim Tackett obviously did. You've come across like an adolescent, temper-tantrum-throwing, wet behind the ears puppy. That was made worse still by running to your instructor in a modern-day, keyboard warrior version of "My Daddy can beat up your Daddy." Like it or not, you've handled yourself badly, and you've made a mockery of all the things you hoped would make you look good. What's worse, you're probably still sitting in your chair trying to convince yourself that all this is being said by someone who just doesn't know you or how you train. This isn't about who's better, who can fight, or who can teach. It's not about martial arts at all, really.

It's about manners, class, and basic respect. You've shown precious little of any of them.

Bert Poe and Sonny Bygum are dead and are not the the driving force behind the so called WNG anymore. Tackett's senior students have left him. What is he left with Tim Tackett's WNG. We left Bob Bremer out of it and Sewel's in Tenn. not worrying about it.

"Tim Tackett studied under or with Bob Bremer, Dan Lee, Richard Bustillo, Jerry Poteet, and Pete Jacobs. Later Chris Kent, Ted Lucay Lucay, and Jeff Imada." Franco: you saying those guys suck?"

Are they members of the WNG? No they are not, so where is the connection.

The service issue has been addressed.

You don't know shit about me, I don't have any certificates hanging on a wall, just promotions in a folder somewhere. But a piece of paper won't help you in the street anyway.

Blah, blah, blah keyboard warrior Blah, blah, blah Daddy blah blah blah shoulda woulda coulda blah blah blah silence is not innocence Blah blah blah I buy into the propaganda Blah blah blah

What battles has Tackett survived?

The only scars he has are from shaving. You are out of your f***ing mind.

I know you have to show strong for the other punks but **** you and anybody else who doesn't like my methods or ways. You had your minds made up long ago, either way what's done is done.

What I posted is just the tip of the iceberg. Hey, Tackett let's not forget I turned your instructorship down when I was a mere green belt. What was that six-seven years ago?

So what is our motivation money? Fame? Converts? How about the truth, because remember, we don't teach JKD. You are all a bunch of ill informed clowns grasping at straws and defending a lost cause. The WNG is through.

[Tom Yum]

Lloyd Kennedy and the CPSD are no longer affiliated with the “Wednesday Night Group” or any other JKD group or organization for the following reasons:

1. We are not sport.

2. We are not ring format.

3. We have nothing to prove, other than that we are solid instructors.

4. We are not trying to change anyone's way of training.

5. We don't train anyone under 18, sometimes 21, depending upon

the person's mental state.

6. We don't boast.

7. We don't answer political questions.

The only exceptions to this, and we do mean the only exceptions, are Sifu John McNabney in Detroit, Michigan, and Sifu Carl Lewis in Wales, UK.

You would have been fine stopping your post here!

If you considered what you wrote, you could have fine tuned it to explain that you wish to go different directions because of different emphasis....but you go on to say....

The rest of you have shown no knowledge of the military, police, corrections, and have shown absolutely zero knowledge about real street situations. You would be better off teaching tetherball.

Sheesh!

[Hardball]

...or because this isn't Rudy Franco at all, rather someone trolling as him.

Could it be Dickhardman? LOL

[Tom Yum]

I You can't explain your own views, either because it scares you to death to let people see what you really think, or because Lloyd Kennedy has not told you what to think yet..

...or because this isn't Rudy Franco at all, rather someone trolling as him.

Where the hell is jubaji? This thread is screaming his name!

Make mine a Killian's tonight, Tom. I believe Rudy's drink will be a Dixie cup of that Special Kool-Aid.

Sounds good.

One Killians for Mike and one Dixie cup of aftershave....I mean Special Kool-Aid for Rudy.

[Hardball]

This is bullshit.

Anyone else up for a beer?

Ha ha Ha Ha, Yea, we disected this bullshit to pieces. LOL

[Tom Yum]

This is bullshit.

Anyone else up for a beer?

[Rudy Franco]

Let's bring Tim Tackett here to defend himself, since someone is going so far as to slander his professional name behind his back with the annonymity of a random user name.

Who is using a phony name?
Thant's my real name and phone number.
Please you are going to have to do better than that.

[Tom Yum]

Mike,

Of course I spoke to my friend and got his input. Not as an instructor but as a witness, not to mention the other that chose to remain silent. Twist it and turn it all they ways you can, but it still will be the truth. The crusade has to start somewhere doesn't it. You haven't a clue of what you are speaking of and *fcuk* a certificate. Qualified not certified instructors. Why Tim because we know Tim Tackett and he knows us too. I am speaking on behalf of Lloyd Kennedy and myself on that you can be assured, it's funny like that sometimes. Give him a call you have his number, he will speak on his own accord and you have my number and I will speak on my own.

Is the real problem with the MA community the "I won't say anything if you won't" mentality? or is it the "I'm going to run my mouth anywhere and everywhere I can instead of coming to you like a man" mentality?

You tell me Super moderator.

If you can't handle the issue and you think I am juvenile,infantile or Fetus Style, I could give a shit.

If any of you are going to the BL Foundation that's coming up, talk to Tackett then he will be there teaching, Then drive 60 mile east and come talk to Lloyd and I.

It is Uke and someone else. Too much in common with Uke - choice of words, writing style etc.

Mr. K, why do you persist in starting so much shit with people?