Trapping...Does it work?

[Ghost]

Joe, i see what you are talkign about about and this widely used in thai boxing but doesnt qualify as trapping. restricting and pinning are different, the energy and focus of it are different imo.
also imo it doesnt work against a full onslaught so has little street relevance.

Could you trap a straight blast effectively? i dont know.

[Joe Hubbard]

Hi mate, he denies the report and says it is entirely untrue.

you can email him sales@geoffthompson.com to get the same response.

He declined to reply on the thread but im sure he will email you the same reply if you choose to email him.
I had suspected this is the kind of false info that is put about commonly, not your fault, its an easy one to believe which is why i wanted to ask him personally.

will look at the video now mate

Sorry guys! My bad, but that story has been out there; I'm sure I read it in MAI.

Joe

[Da Pope]

My opinion on trapping is that it is only a temporary solution.....

[fire cobra]

Joe, i see what you are talkign about about and this widely used in thai boxing but doesnt qualify as trapping. restricting and pinning are different, the energy and focus of it are different imo.
also imo it doesnt work against a full onslaught so has little street relevance.

Could you trap a straight blast effectively? i dont know.

Hi Bro,

I know you have probably put the answer to this question in other posts/Threads but Ive forgot(getting old) what is your personal defination of a trap or trapping please bro?.

[Wi Kali Group]

Ghost reported -
"Hi mate, he denies the report and says it is entirely untrue.

you can email him sales@geoffthompson.com to get the same response.

He declined to reply on the thread but im sure he will email you the same reply if you choose to email him.
I had suspected this is the kind of false info that is put about commonly, not your fault, its an easy one to believe which is why i wanted to ask him personally.

will look at the video now mate"

Now I'm just expressing an opinion/observation. I don't know either Mr Young or G. Thompson. I've never heard of Mr Thompson. But just because he denies it doesn't mean it isn't true. I've never met Mr Young. But it seems kind of comic book/urban legend for anyone of his position going around like that (I mean with all the clueless people trashing training when would he sleep). But if he is friends with the guy it possible.

But if someone was training something solid that you said can't work. Then he came in and made it work. I'd say most people would deny it in a private email.

But having said that I'd say the quality of it comes off like an urban legend.

And on the quote someone has on being just like X-men's Rouge with a willy. Does that mean hermaphrodite. Just asking. In this day and age it fine

[Ghost]

Hi Bro,

I know you have probably put the answer to this question in other posts/Threads but Ive forgot(getting old) what is your personal defination of a trap or trapping please bro?.

Hi mate
Well the kind of stickiness you see in muay thai which obstructs their movement is present in basically every martial art, forms a large part of aikido and is even present in karate and just about every other martial art.

What you see going on wing chun, direct trapping of the arm is only found in a few martial arts and therefore i think they should be kept seperate.

[fire cobra]

Hi mate
Well the kind of stickiness you see in muay thai which obstructs their movement is present in basically every martial art, forms a large part of aikido and is even present in karate and just about every other martial art.

What you see going on wing chun, direct trapping of the arm is only found in a few martial arts and therefore i think they should be kept seperate.

Thanks Ghost,

Are you talking more about a pinning technique,ie pressing the opponents arm into his body for example as a trap?.

I am just trying to see where we are all coming from when thinking of the word trap,the word itself could conjure up all sorts of examples couldnt it,personally I think of trap as a obstruction of your opponents limb,and I see so many valuable ways to do it.

I like your description of the stickiness in Muay Thai,I have recently had yet another experience of a high level boxer doing that to me and its amazing to think of Muay Thai as being so soft!.

[Ghost]

Thanks Ghost,

Are you talking more about a pinning technique,ie pressing the opponents arm into his body for example as a trap?.

I am just trying to see where we are all coming from when thinking of the word trap,the word itself could conjure up all sorts of examples couldnt it,personally I think of trap as a obstruction of your opponents limb,and I see so many valuable ways to do it.

I like your description of the stickiness in Muay Thai,I have recently had yet another experience of a high level boxer doing that to me and its amazing to think of Muay Thai as being so soft!.

Yeah you have understood me there. I personally think the two have to be separated, i know it might seem anal but the stickiness is a fairly universal concept, albeit a fairly advanced one, but the actual pinning is more unique to certain arts, and therefore should be separated.

Im less keen on the direct pinning, but all for the stickiness type stuff. I didnt actually think that it qualified as trapping as such.
I expect trapping could be seen as a redirecting and pinning + the stickiness and the stickiness can be on its own and when on its own is just that, not trapping.

hope that makes some sense, im by no means trying to re-write what defines trapping but i feel they are not the same things.

[fire cobra]

Yeah you have understood me there. I personally think the two have to be separated, i know it might seem anal but the stickiness is a fairly universal concept, albeit a fairly advanced one, but the actual pinning is more unique to certain arts, and therefore should be separated.

Im less keen on the direct pinning, but all for the stickiness type stuff. I didnt actually think that it qualified as trapping as such.
I expect trapping could be seen as a redirecting and pinning + the stickiness and the stickiness can be on its own and when on its own is just that, not trapping.

hope that makes some sense, im by no means trying to re-write what defines trapping but i feel they are not the same things.

Makes sense to me Ghost,I had a feeling thats where you were coming from,and I agree that the stickiness doesnt really constitiute a trap,and the stickiness can be done all over,hence we have it in Muay Thai to.

[Ghost]

Makes sense to me Ghost,I had a feeling thats where you were coming from,and I agree that the stickiness doesnt really constitiute a trap,and the stickiness can be done all over,hence we have it in Muay Thai to.

there was a stickiness drill in shotokan karate we used to do, it was a bit too rigid to perhaps be practical as the stickiness requires softness as you said previously, however it was practiced a fair bit and sort of worked. i cant see it lend itself to their stance well though at all. but it shows how fairly universal it is for it to pop in a system like that.

[fire cobra]

there was a stickiness drill in shotokan karate we used to do, it was a bit too rigid to perhaps be practical as the stickiness requires softness as you said previously, however it was practiced a fair bit and sort of worked. i cant see it lend itself to their stance well though at all. but it shows how fairly universal it is for it to pop in a system like that.

Thats interesting Ghost,fairly universal concept then eh,its also in Goju Ryu to,actually I like Karate especially the older styles but I guess thats for a different thread.

[Baki Hanma]

I practicing JKD and we train a lot of trapping, only when im sparring I dont trap or C anybody else do trapping.
For me when im sparring its like...I Box and Kick, when Im to close ill try to get the opponent to the ground by wrestle and locking.

My question is...Does Trapping really work in a real fight or even in sparring.

Even when I see that Longbeach demo where you C Bruce spar...I dont see any trapping in his style..

I'm going to quote a message I got from one of my Conversation with a great person, in my own words...

"Depends what opponent you put in front of you, anything can work on someone who isn't very good."

Trapping can work great, but just as the quote above says, it really depends on the person in front of you. People are different.
Besides you wouldn't or shouldn't use the same fighting strategies on everyone...

[Justthefacts]

Real Life Combat

From 1959-1973, Bruce Lee engaged in 12 documented street fights. In 8 of those street fights, Bruce used trapping techniques. In the 4 remaining fights, he used the side kick to end those confrontations. So, when his butt was on the line, Bruce Lee tended to use the techniques that were already part of his neuromuscular system when he returned to the United States in 1959.

[fire cobra]

From 1959-1973, Bruce Lee engaged in 12 documented street fights. In 8 of those street fights, Bruce used trapping techniques. In the 4 remaining fights, he used the side kick to end those confrontations. So, when his butt was on the line, Bruce Lee tended to use the techniques that were already part of his neuromuscular system when he returned to the United States in 1959.

And thats a fact (lol sorry bro couldnt resist!).

[Justthefacts]

Pak Sao and Hip

FC: I hear it all the time, LOL. Bruce Lee and his students were/are living proof that trapping works. A few months before his death, Lee told Wing Chun brother Hawkins Cheung that the foundation of JKD was "Pak Sao and hip." Bruce Lee's trapping techniques were not passive nor were they the "patty-cake" traps taught by some JKD instructors. Bruce Lee employed the pak sao and the lan sao to completely shut his opponent(s) down.