atrenghttraining for JKD different then for mma?

[WildWest.]

Possibly Fenwick but it is how you train and what you are training for that is the difference.

[lokate]

Hello Fenwick99

Thanks for reacting, but I think its not true what you are sayiing.
When you train bodybuilding or strongman your body can rest in between the routines.
When you are a martial artist there are always more thinks to train, like kicking and punching the heavy bag, running, sparring etc.

[fenwick99]

I don't think weight training is any different for martial artists than for anyone else.
Squats, deadlifts, bench presses, standing presses, rows, curls, chins, dips, shrugs.
Do not overtrain, but train in such a way as to gain strength.

[lokate]

Hy WildWest

Thanks for explaining the push-ups, now I understand.
And yes, I think you have to have a good form, so the basic must be good.
Thats even so with training with a barbell etc.
I know a lott off people who just start with to many weights and bad form just to let others see how trong they are..
Again, thanks for all the information and take care.

[WildWest.]

Sorry, I should have explained the push ups.

Lie the KB down so the handle is on the floor.

Place both hands on the round bell so that they are very close together and complete a push up.

Basically it's like a push up where you have your hands in close together under your chest.

If you don't have much experience with KB's then what Dragondoor are suggesting is correct. Swings and TGU's (TGU's are awesome by the way so do them at least 2x a week) will help you learn the movements needed for building onto other exercises.

If you like, it's similar to learning footwork in boxing so that you can then develop a foundation to work your skills on.

Remember, the exercises can be challenging if not done correctly and that needs to be the most important thing when first training with KB's. Form and correct technique will mean you get the most out of your KB's and prevent injury.

Yes you do need 2 KB's for the second routine, you could always change that day with a training session from the brutal workout instead.

Hope this helps and good luck.

[lokate]

Forgott one more thing, again...

With the push/ups with the kettlebell I hope you can do that with one kettlebell and doiing it so as I suggested?
Or do I need two kettlebells for that exercise and if so do you have maybay another suggestion to do these push/ups?
Thats all :-)

[lokate]

Hey WildWest

I will give that first routine a try, I hope I can get one round :-)
The kettlebell push-up is done with the handle upright and then put your hands on the handle?
And am I right when I said that you need two kettlebells for the second routine of the matrix workout?
This is much better then only do swings and TGUs as Pavel en most off the members of the dragondoor.com are advising.
Off course I have tried these routines but I wanted to do these routine off you are great. Thanks again and take care.

[WildWest.]

Thanks guys for your reaction.
WildWest, seems pretty good programms but I dont think I can do the Matrix workout because I have only one kettlebell and when I look at workout 2 from that routine it looks that you have to have two kettlebells for the double swings etc.
The other one seems pretty good, I think its a good full body workout.
Do you have a sort off guideline how many rounds would be good?
By the way, I have one 24 kilo kettlebell.


I must say that the routines off WildWest looks very good to, the only problem that I have with a kettlebell is that you cannot add weights so often but maybay that isnt neccasary because you can always do more rounds and/or reps.

One 24 kg KB will do more than enough for you if you use it right.

With the rounds, with the 1st Matrix workout try 3-4 rounds but with short to no rests, that should get you going.

The other workout is harder because it specifically says no rests!! You do that one 2 times but if you can do more then you are doing better than me!!

Good luck.....Once you get better, stronger and more confident with KB's you might want to look at buying another 24 kg or increasing to a 32 kg KB. The big jumps in weight do make for some good results. Of course if finances are an issue then stick with what you've got and work smart with it.

[lokate]

thanks

Thanks guys for your reaction.
WildWest, seems pretty good programms but I dont think I can do the Matrix workout because I have only one kettlebell and when I look at workout 2 from that routine it looks that you have to have two kettlebells for the double swings etc.
The other one seems pretty good, I think its a good full body workout.
Do you have a sort off guideline how many rounds would be good?
By the way, I have one 24 kilo kettlebell.

Thanks fenwick99 for reacting to. You are right, compound exercises as you mentioned are the only one that are good for mma, jkd etc.
The problem is that I have tried so much off these routine and most off the times I ended up feeling that all my energy was left for that strengthtraining alone so that I didnt have any energy left for my JKD training.
So the only thing that I did was strengthtraining 3 times a week and when I had some energy left I did some kicking and punching the heavy bag.
So I was more training for bodybuilding then for JKD.
When you read INternet you get so cunfused about sets, reps exercises etc.
Do you ahave a solid strengthtraining routine witch you use and leaves you with enough energy for your JKD training to?
I would be glad if you want to share it with me, I can always learn from it.
I must say that the routines off WildWest looks very good to, the only problem that I have with a kettlebell is that you cannot add weights so often but maybay that isnt neccasary because you can always do more rounds and/or reps.

[WildWest.]

The best exercises for any martial artist, jkd, mma, tkd, or otherwise,
are the heavy basics : squats, deadlifts, rows, standing presses, bench presses, curls, pullups, pushups, and dips.

but...

1. MAs must avoid overtraining and weightlifting injuries at all costs,
much more so than bodybuilders or weightlifters.

2. Neck and forearm specialization may also be a part of an MAs training,
although I get enuff stim. in those areas from deadlifts and shrugs.

3. Lewis says that you should do compound lifts and avoid curls and french pressing.

Nothing wrong with your exercises, but I've noticed greater results from resistance exercises where I use my whole body as a unit rather than isolating muscle groups.

After all, in MA's we use our body as a unit.

[WildWest.]

Lokate,

A squat press:

- Hold KB in clean position

- Go down into a full squat

- Stand up and as you reach your standing height press the KB overhead.

- Once press is complete, go back down into a full squat again and repeat.

The matrix circuit contains 3 workouts for the week anyway. The other is pretty bloody hard (with a 24kg) but is also short (it's all you need!), so can also be done 3 x a week.

What weight(s) do you have?

[fenwick99]

re

The best exercises for any martial artist, jkd, mma, tkd, or otherwise,
are the heavy basics : squats, deadlifts, rows, standing presses, bench presses, curls, pullups, pushups, and dips.

but...

1. MAs must avoid overtraining and weightlifting injuries at all costs,
much more so than bodybuilders or weightlifters.

2. Neck and forearm specialization may also be a part of an MAs training,
although I get enuff stim. in those areas from deadlifts and shrugs.

3. Lewis says that you should do compound lifts and avoid curls and french pressing.

[lokate]

Forgot one more thing

I know all these exercise but what is a squat press?
Take care

[lokate]

Thanks

Hey WildWest,

Great these programms. Thank you very much. Can I do these 2-3 times a week orso?

[WildWest.]

Yes I train with them. At home I have an 8kg for my partner, one 16kg, two 24kgs and two 32kgs bells.

Try these programs:

Kettlebell Brutal Cardio


Swing 20 reps

Shoulder press 10 reps left/right

Front squat 20 reps

High arm pulls 10 reps left/right

Press up on bell 10-15 reps

Change over swings 20 reps total

Squat press 10 reps left/right

Sit ups with bell 15


And repeat until exhaustion……

NO REST!!

And this one...

Matrix circuit

Do each workout 2 – 4 times depending on exhaustion levels.

Workout 1:
1. 1 arm swings x 10 L / R
2. 1 arm clean and press x 5 L / R
3. 1 arm snatch x 5 L / R
4. 2 handed squat x 10
5. 1 arm row x 10 L / R
Workout 2:
1. double swings x 8
2. double clean and press x 5
3. double squat x 5
4. alternating snatches x 5 L / R
5. double bent over rowing x 8

Workout 3:
1. 1 arm snatches for 5 minutes, alternating every 5 reps (absolute killer)

You really need to use a 24kg weight to get maximum results but while you're learning 16kg will be fine.

Have fun!