Bruce Lee's JKD and Dan Inosanto

[lssanjose]

what was bruce trying to teach us?

[JIMI]

To not limit oneself to any one thing. Absorb what is useful and works for you, and leave the rest.

[lssanjose]

well .. that can mean a lot of things.. but what does that actually mean? what does it mean to absorb? I think there are a few that see the meaning of absorb differently..

[JIMI]

Jesus Christ man, just pick up a dictionary. No need to further debate the gradations of what you think absorb means. What the **** do you think it means? Dont act like an idiot just for the sake of argument. ab·sorb


To take (something) in through or as through pores or interstices.
To occupy the full attention, interest, or time of; engross. See Synonyms at monopolize.
To retain (radiation or sound, for example) wholly, without reflection or transmission.
To take in; assimilate: immigrants who were absorbed into the social mainstream.
To learn; acquire: "Matisse absorbed the lesson and added to it a new language of color" (Peter Plagen).
To receive (an impulse) without echo or recoil: a fabric that absorbs sound; a bumper that absorbs impact.
To assume or pay for (a cost or costs).
To endure; accommodate: couldn't absorb the additional hardships.
To use up; consume: The project has absorbed all of our department's resources.


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[Middle English, to swallow up, from Old French absorber, from Latin absorbre : ab-, away ; see ab-1 + sorbre, to suck.]
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ab·sorba·bili·ty n.
ab·sorba·ble adj.
ab·sorbed·ly adv.
ab·sorber n.
ab·sorbing·ly adv.



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[lssanjose]

why are you all worked up? I just asked a question. that's all. thanks for giving me the definitions. and they all point to a consensus.

[JIMI]

My apologies. Its just that this debate has been beating a dead horse in this forum forever and i cant tell anymore who the sincere seekers of the truth are and the trolls who just want to piss people off in here.

[Thai Bri]

That can mean alot of things too? What do you mean?

[moma_news]

Guro Dan is the only true follower of the essence of what Bruce Lee was trying to teach us. PERIOD!!! Anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong

Hmmmm.....


Very narrow view. What do you base this off of?

[JIMI]

Sincere seekers of the truth will find that Guro Dan was truly the most devoted disciple of Bruce Lee and was also the only certified instructor under Bruce Lee. More than that, Guro Dan was also a teacher to Bruce Lee ( although Guro Dan is so humble he would never admit to such a thing) , they had a very special connection and relationship. To this day i believe that anyone who has had the honor of training under Guro Dan or his affiliates, will come to the same conclusion, that Guro Dan has been able to preserve what it is that Bruce Lee was trying to show the world, ( to not limit oneself to any one thing ). He has done this respectively and not selfishly like others that claim to have the same lineage as Guro Dan. I wont argue this any more with anyone. All i can say is do your studying and dont believe any of the crap that the "NUCLEUS" claims.

[lssanjose]

uh... the nucleus? what they stood for? crap? uh ..huh... ask tackett or kent... magda? right.. and he wasn't the only one certified.. ..

[moma_news]

I wont argue this any more with anyone.

Good! Then I won't have to worry about you coming back after my reply, right?


First off, I have nothing against Dan Inosanto or any of his students/instructors/followers. If that's the path you decide to take, then that's your individual decision. There's no right or wrong about it.


As to your statement of Mr. Inosanto being the "only certified instructor".... well... you should do some research before posting such things.


You say that Bruce Lee was trying to show the world,

to not limit oneself to any one thing

but here you go and limit yourself to one instructor as having the "truth" of what Bruce Lee and his teachings were about.

Do you see a paradox here?

[Ms. J]

Inosanto Training-Training under differnt Expressions-Indavidualty

1. Ms. J… Statement: Please note, anything I state here is based on what I know and have learned and based on my experience and expression of JKD. They are not the words of anyone other then I and they are my interpretations of JKD, its concepts, and philosophy’s based on my personal experience and education.


2. What are Phases-FAZES or Phase-FAZE Class?

"Thai Bri Wrote: Oh really? Is that why he grades people in phases, to see if they can do it HIS way? Perhaps JKD SHOULD be about each individual, but that certainly isn't the way Inosanto trains his students."

Based on what I have learned via the experience” Its not that he is grading or testing you based on his way only. The phase system is in place for many reasons; one is so a student’s progress can be checked based on the basic concepts that are a part of JKD. The Phases are also to help the student improve techniques, to help a student develop there fluidity between ranges and techniques, to help a student gain goals they have sent for themselves, and to be able to help students to modify or adapt the concepts they might have too based on there individuality.” Note: this is just a few of the reasons.

Phase or FAZE Class is also part of the progressive learning that is taught at the academy, what we do in FAZE Class is work with all of the different concepts that we have learned and apply them to our expression. This is also part of the creative evolutional process of JKD, it’s the time we learn what is best suited for us as individuals and it’s the time we learn what to keep and what to toss away’ as Sigung Bruce “ again the toss and keep concept.

Furthermore what faze or the phase system to me represents is a way the academy and Guro Dan uses to help and guide the student into expressing themselves within the concepts that they are learning and the techniques they have learned individually.

3. Inosanto Training:

"Thai Bri Wrote: Perhaps JKD SHOULD be about each individual, but that certainly isn't the way Inosanto trains his students."

Well, i am not sure where you got this idea from. In addition, to be quite honest I find it somewhat hard to believe that anyone is so far off on their interpretation of how the inosanto academy or Guro Dan teaches.

I will tell you one more thing, if it was as you stated above that he dose not teach his students as individuals then i would not be one of his students. It would have been imposable to train under him or take classes from him In class at the acadmey, in seminar or privately.

Mainly because i have had and still have some huge limitations physically in the past and still do at times. Furthermore Contrary to what you have stated, All i have ever received was kindness, understanding and a will to help me overcome my limitations by finding options i could use and adapt to suit my needs. Not his, or yours or the academy but my needs...

Its one of the reasons i have been a student of His and the Academy’s now for years. Hell as a matter of fact there have been a number of places that turned me away because my limitations were to much for them to deal with. Never was i told no at his school or by any of his teachers. It is always about me and what i want to do with my training and within my acceptability levels. Both physical and spiritual.

I will assure you one more thing, I am and always have been the Student from hell to my teachers, and this man and his academy have managed to teach me proficiently and within my limitations, my needs, and my acceptability levels.


4. Training under Different JKD concepts Instructors:

I agree with the concept that learning JKD from one and only one instructor limits your learning process and skill development process. Each expression of JKD is individual. One of the reasons we cross train in other arts is to suit the individual needs and find out what best suits our bodies. Cross training in JKD expressions is just as important in my interpretation of JKD as the issue of cross training in other arts. Just like each teacher, that Guro Dan has promoted under him in JKD is different and diverse. Their expression of JKD is different then his and its evolved based on what suited them. Again as Sigung Bruce Says in what I call his “ keeping and tossing Theory”

I have trained with many teachers in JKD Concepts; each one has been very different. Furthermore, because of this fact, I have learned different things from each of them, things I would not have learned from only one teacher that I have kept as part of my expression of JKD. Most of my instructors “ other then Guro Dan” have been first generation Lee-Inosanto trained instructors. All of them have a different expression of there JKD.

I incorrage my students, training partners and teachers to cross train in as many different expressions as they choose too? Why? Because of how much more you are capable of learning from the diversity of others expressions. Learning from many different perspectives gives an individual a huge diverse background that brings a very strong balance to the final product. i.e. The JKD Student or JKD Teacher.

Its like looking at a picture of a box hanging on the wall, that has a slightly different but similar picture on each square. In the picture, the box is showing one side clearly, the other sides are not clearly viewed. This is because your not examining other then the one side you can view from the picture. Furthermore, because its just a picture and not a 3 dimensional object.

But if you were to take that box and make it real and your now holding a 3 dimensional box, and then hold it in your hand and look at each side. When examining the box in the three dimensional, each picture would show something different and diverse even though it has similar colors and patterns to it.

The same idea with different expressions of JKD and the teachers that teach their expressions of the art. All have similar concepts and principles, but all of them are different and diverse based on their personal evolution of JKD. Same with each teacher in JKD I have trained with or as a student under. Each is richly diverse and different but within the familiar concepts, I know that I started with from Sigung Lee’s concepts.



Ms. J bows deeply…



Jeet Kune Do is not a "Method of Concentration or Mediation".
It is "being", it is an "Experience", a "way" that is "not a way".

BRUCE LEE

[Thai Bri]

If I am wrong I stand corrected. My understanding of JKD has been damaged by the intepretation of JKDhere

https://www.maxt.co.uk

These people even go over to the states to train at the Academy, but I was told I was not welcome. The reason? "You don't train the Kali, and I don't want your lack of ability to reflect badly on me in front of Dan".


I only wanted to go for the unarmed stuff anyway! Apologies to you and Dan who, after all, can't really be held responsible for the conduct of who represent him.

[Ms. J]

Pre-Judgment of JKD

Thai Bri Wrote: If I am wrong I stand corrected. My understanding of JKD has been damaged by the interpretation of JKD here. www.maxt.co.uk
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Well first it sounds like your very angry still, next that you are holding or held one person responsible for the entire JKD Format and training methods of every teacher out there. In addition, it seems you have judged Guro Dan, the Inosanto academy, and every teacher teaching JKD based on your experiences with this one organzation.

I have a feeling that this type of attitude is more the reason you were told: "You don't train the Kali, and I don't want your lack of ability to reflect badly on me in front of Dan".

I know if I had a student that was mad, unhappy and did not like my format or had a bad attitude, I would not want to bring him to a Guro Dan Seminar nor to the inosanto academy to take classes with Guro or anyone there for that matter. Mainly because I would not want to bring my teacher any trouble on the floor or a bad attitude from one of my students.

Thai Bri Wrote: I only wanted to go for the unarmed stuff anyway! Apologies to you and Dan who, after all, cannot really be held responsible for the conduct of who represent him.

I am not sure what your reasoning is for that, especially as 70% of all violent crime involves a weapon of some kind, and to learn how to effectively defend against a weapon means to learn it so you fully understand what its going to do to you as well as what you can do with it. As far as learning the unarmed defenses against the weapon that’s part of KALI, see your going to learn how to defend with and without a weapon and all movements are the same and applicable. Its why its part of the inosanto JKD Expression. See there is a huge list of different core arts that are found deep in Kali. This includes open hand, weapons, and groundwork.

So if you want to learn more about the inosanto academy you can go here: www.Inosanto.com and if you wanted to go to the US and train yourself at the academy I do not see why you could not. You are acting like just because this one teacher said you cant go that you cannot. But if your really that angry, and you prejudge everyone and everything based on one instance of experience in your life and you show up at any academy with a bad attitude, most of them wont want to train you or with you.

Furthermore, I am sorry that your understanding of JKD is damaged

Thai Bri Wrote: “My understanding of JKD has been damaged by the interpretation of JKD here”

Nevertheless, your closed mind attitude is what is holding you back and keeping you in this negative place. It might be time for you to re-evaluate how you judge and how you deal with disappointment.

Ranking and testing requirements: Remember something All teachers have there own requirements in any art for belting and ranking and its up to the student to decide what they want out of the training.

Its up to you the student to decide if the style they are teaching suits you, and then what you want out of it. For instance, I do not belt or rank anyone until I am fully sure that they are going to teach. There is no reason for me to rank anyone unless they intend to teach my art. Again, this is me as a teacher and based on my ranking system in my Organizations styling of FMA and TAO SDA.

Ms. J bows deeply.....

Ms. Castro
CEO-FATE Organization

https://www.FATE-Organization.com

[Thai Bri]

Well thanks for that. What a great example of how to accept an apology. Not.

Thats two JKD representatives behaving like arrogant knobs. There's a pattern after all. Would good old Dan be proud of you? I hope not.

Apology withdrawn. People who take themselves so seriously really do over rate what they have to offer. You talk like Kwai Chang Caine.....all philosophical.......

Ah so, you're an arse-hole.

Thai Bri lifts his finger high.