Bruce Lee's JKD and Dan Inosanto

[Ryu (JKD?)]

*Ryu rubs the back of his head in timid fashion*

Jesus, guys..... this is getting as bad as the "ninja" feuds.


In with the good air, out with the bad air, huh?

Ryu

[Thai Bri]

Originally posted by JIMI
You seriously think thats a chick? Its gotta be a guy that has some sick fetish or something

Oh dear. No snappy replies from her?

Probably frightened of me. And do you know why? Because I'm really really good. I'm really good me, oh yes. And I have a knife.
And I never hid behind a woman, but plenty of hid behind me.

And I'm really really good I am, yes I am. Oh Yes. I am! So many people have tried to beat me, but I always win. And don't you know why? Because I'm really really good. I am. I really am. In a global kind of way.

Heres some things you should bear in mind if you're going to go into battle with me!

1. I'm really really good I am.
2. I am I am I am!
3. I never lie, I just tell the whole world how really really good I am. And everyone is really interested. (ok, that was a lie)
4. I'm writing a book, its called "Guess who is really really good". I am, thats who!

You can't see the TRUTH! Thats what pushes buttons! That and fingers! Really really push buttons, oh yes. In a really really good way!

I have 9 years of self serving ego boosting bull shit on the internet I have. And it's all really really good! Just like me! And everyone wants to fook me too (whoops, there goes another).





Ms J bows deeply. Crotch height, to be exact.



Oh dear. Good old terry will come flying to your rescue. And you'll still manage to pretend you're self reliant, and really really good. But who cares? I'm pissing myself laughing anyway! Really real piss!

[Ms. J]

lol

Ok this is not bad frist i am a coward

Then, i am a dude....

I waiting for Lesbian next, if i get that one in print there are grants i can get to give me money because of prejudices like that and stigmas.

Unfortunately, Thai Bri has a number of issues. In addition, he will continue to have them based on his outward actions.

Thai this is something for you to think about, why do you train?

What is the out and out reason your even taking classes or wanted to learn JKD? Because i dont see many of the concepts in Thai Bri that Bruce rather hoped his students would aim for.

REALTY CHECK: men and woman train for totally different reasons, I train for realty and to save my skin on the streets, as a woman i have to use full contact and deadly force to stop aggression, that means i have to use all tools.

There is no magic move on the streets when a woman is facing a man full of rage or on drugs or insane and he is 3 times her size the big dude has the weight and size. If there was a one time majic move we would not have so many blackbelted woman dying each year when they try and use their traditional techniques to save there lives. Many men die with blackbelts as well. Again because none of them realize how seriously things change on the streets.

That’s why i train frist and foremost, its not to hang out and have street bawls or to limit myself to one type of training that is not really all that relevant alone without the weapons defensive concepts.

Why? Because its what you are going to face on the streets, again in my mind that is why i train and teach programs in prevention of violent crime. In addition, I make sure I dont limit my education to one time and one instance of experience to base my judgments on.

what gets me is the bad judment call, espicaly if your living in england. i am judging this based on the violent crime statistics in england, and my personal experances living in the united Kindom for over 5 years. The knife is the highest used weapon for crimnal activity in the country, the poor nuns and preists cant even leave there churchs safly anymore without being knifed and raped. what i find even funner was what the church decided to do about it......

but..... thats another story for another day.......



Ms. J.......

[Tom Yum]

Mrs. J,

I saw your bio earlier on another thread and I am impressed. Enjoy the posts and roll with it, unless Ryta starts to send you homoerotic PMs.

To answer some of the questions you posted a while back, one of my former instructors in Highschool was a woman and she was pretty good. Her kicks were fantastic; they sent us to the mats many times during sparring. Her hands were quick, but she preferred to kick since the style emphasized kicking and then try to sweep/takedown.

I know a female boxer with an 8-0 record. I've also trained alongside her. Most impressive things is her attitude; she is a great athlete, but she can hit fast and hard and not worry about getting hit back.

How do you get an average woman interested in MA and get her to get over her fears of being surrounded by bigger sweaty guys with aggressive fighting skills? Some women aren't thrown off by this, but the rest?

[Thai Bri]

Lets call it quits. I'm into combatives anyway, not JKD. For me JKD has too much in it, and the volume will cloud the mind for when you need to act. But thats just a view. Dont take offence.

"REALTY CHECK: men and woman train for totally different reasons, I train for realty and to save my skin on the streets, as a woman i have to use full contact and deadly force to stop aggression, that means i have to use all tools."

I disagree. Women may well be at a disadvantage due to smaler size, but that doesn't mean that men can train with anything less that what is in your quote. If they want to maximise their chances of survival.

Lets leave the point scoring. It isn't productive.














YA BIG LESBIAN!

Only joking. I couldn't care less what sexuality a person has.

[Ms. J]

rolling with the punches

Tom: I tend to roll with the punches easily because i was broken in on the eskrima digest for 5 years. You can ask terry sometime, if you can survive the digest and still walk away with your life your doing well..... woo woo The other thing about me is, i dont do anything if i cant have fun with it. In addition, I assure you I do have fun and its never about being the victim...

As far as women who are good or soundly proficient in a martial science. We have to remember that it’s a Martial Science based on one set of rules and most of the time very strict rules. These rules do not apply on the streets. I as well know a number of professional woman boxers and traditional long-term martial artists.

Next, i have no clue if the women that you have talked about have tested these traditional or western martial skills against a realty based situational training scenarios. They might be surprised when they do. I know my students that have taken my SDA seminars were and big time.

We have a huge fallacy in today society that states the words Martial arts, Karate, or Self Defense means the same thing and that the training brings the same result.

Lets talk about punching for woman and both genders of children under the age if 12.

For a woman to learn how to punch hard and proficiently without breaking her hands or wrists takes many years of work. Special exercises and weight training to build the special ligaments and muscles needed to take the impact of punching someone. Men have to train this way as well but for a woman she has to work 3 times as hard because she has to change the normal body structure she was born with to do it. I have known woman who have not taken the time to do the special training and to learn about the special differences in there hands compared to a mans. The fact is that most woman are trained by men and the small details of their body’s are not always taken into account when their training program is developed. Many of these woman have spent years having surgery on there writs, and tendons in there hands and arms because they did not take the differences into account and trained for years based on a mans anatomy.

The realty of what a professional boxer does in the ring is very different then what is needed to save your life on the streets. When you are in the ring, your hands and wrists are wrapped tightly and in a specific manor to protect the ligaments in the wrists, also to protect the fingers and hands from becoming broken. Then you have heavy boxing gloves on to protect your fingers from being broken.

Woman’s and children’s hands are built differently then a mans, the bone structure is smaller and so are the tendons, ligaments and muscles around the hand, fingers and wrist.

I have been punching for 25 years, would i use an closed handed punch to the face in a realty based safe my life? In addition, do I teach woman and children to use them to save their lives?

No. The risk of them breaking there hands and having the attacker use that instance of pain against them to overwhelm them is too high. Instead, i teach them palm heals strikes, finger jabs, and elbow strikes. I also teach them how to utilized anything as a weapon in the same manor.

NOTE: the Palm heal strike has 2 times the stopping power for a woman as well because she has the advantage of her hips, a woman’s hips is where she can draw on for striking power. In addition, the fingers do not break, the palm heal is stronger and has more padding on it then the thin finger bones of the hand. Using this strike will also save her from having the wrist bend in and down breaking it from the impact of a closed fisted punch to the face of an attacker.

I teach the same things to black belted or lifetime competition woman fighters as i do level one UN trained woman. Why? Because self defense and awareness is very different, the training in a long-term martial art, traditional martial art, or even realty based martial art.

Training in the MA should be augmented with core SDA not just for woman or children, but men as well.

Using all tools: yes men should work for the same thing as woman when training to save their lives or when they are out in the streets. But we were talking about why woman train and i was asking Thai why he trained in JKD only to afterwards find out he is not even a JKD student anymore. In addition, I am not sure why he is on a JKD board if he does not even want to train in the art.

I do understand a great deal more now as to his lack of JKD student mind set though because of his last letter. This is not a bad thing or a good thing the fact is that each person will do what is most comfortable to them or what they want to do training wise. I will not get into a debate on what is the best art and training methods because again it’s individual and based on the needs and wants of the student.

I am just worried that many train in something believing it will fill the needs of saving there lives on the streets only to find out after the fact that it didn’t turn out as they had planed. It’s a hard realty based lesson that many times gets people killed. As the goal of my organzation is to save life, not take it, these kinds of issues tend to be in the for front of my thinking.

Lesbian side note: not that its an issue but, my sons would have problems believing i am a lesbian...... i have 2 grown boys, one is 23 years old and a brilliant lad that grew up to be a holistic healer, middle eastern drummer, violinist and a full time student working his way into the peace corps. The other is 16 who is a special needs child, this past year he was part of the rose bowl parade representing his school band. So apparently i did something correct, and yes, this is pride....

To the Question of “ How do you get an average woman interested in MA and get her to get over her fears of being surrounded by bigger sweaty guys with aggressive fighting skills? Some women aren't thrown off by this, but the rest?”

I do this a number of ways, one thing I make sure I do is always make sure my programs are taught in Yin Yang teacher teams, then I let each student start at level one and based on there contact level. its always about them and there needs there’s never one way and I present options instead of telling students they have to do it this way and that there is only one way.
I spent 5 years doing R & D to answer that question and learn how to change things. The realty is it is the average woman-person that is not training; it is the average woman-person that is being attacked. Every police department in the nation has it on there web site that it’s the average person that needs to take a SDA class to change the risk factors of being attacked and surviving the attack.

Keep a clear picture though, once a woman, man or child has trained in a realty based art or SDA corse for more then 30 hours they change and evolve greatly and are no longer the “ AVERAGE PERSON”

How to do it is as I am doing it, and why FATE organzation was started.

· To change the negative effects of violence on all people, woman, children, and men.
· To help prevent it from happening in the future.
· To help save life when it does happen if someone cannot change enough of the risk and avoid it.

Ms. J bows deeply.....

[Tom Yum]

I never stated that you played the victim.

Yes ring and street are different, but one can argue that good fighters won't fair terribly. Then again all of the unseen variables could stop anyone regardless of level.

Do you hold seminars in the H-town area?

[Ms. J]

seminars

I hold seminars wherever i am hired to go and teach them.

NOTE: all money made by my organzation teaching seminars, classes or events goes back to teaching programs freely to Victims of Violent crime, to all genders, ages and races.


Tom, i did not mean it to sound like you said anything about being a victim, the last letter was answering many questions and not only yours...

Johnaleen....

[Tom Yum]

Cool.

Well, I can't afford to host you (yet). But depending on the cost of the course, I and I'm sure others would be interested.

[Ms. J]

Tom,

you should call my office number, 888-526-4626

i can probubly help you set something up there by working with a number of organzations at once. i have done this before and its just a matter of me having a contact there to make phone calls and sort things.

all we make goes to the program we tend to not charge a large fee and instead leave it to open donations, sponcorships and local organzations working as a grope to host us and to cover minum expenses wile there.

all seminars we do are fundrasing events to help pay for next years program then we can advertise in the communty at large via the victims program. it gives the program markeing, as well as any of the organzations offering to host a program" and helps fund a program for a good cause. we do our best to make it a win win deal for everyone when we do a program.

Johnaleen...

888-526-4626

[Thai Bri]

"But we were talking about why woman train and i was asking Thai why he trained in JKD only to afterwards find out he is not even a JKD student anymore. In addition, I am not sure why he is on a JKD board if he does not even want to train in the art."

I just put up the whole site and click the button for all the new threads, regardless of which board they're in. I don't discriminate against JKD.

Anyway, if you're really trying to teach people how to survive, why are you teaching such a massive syllabus? There is a real danger of information over load when under a real threat. As far as techniques go I strongly believe that it is infinitely better to be expert in about 5-10 techniques, rather than having a knowledge of hundreds. Time is of the essence, and pondering over which technique you'd use will get your students killed.

Congrats re the kids. My sons are 10 and 6. They are the most precious things in the world to my good lady and I.

[Ms. J]

My Format for SDA

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Thai Bri Wrote: I just put up the whole site and click the button for all the new threads, regardless of which board they're in. I do not discriminate against JKD.
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My opinion of what your doing and how your going about it and who and what you discriminate against would cause a huge argument here. I find the statement based on your actions to be unbalanced. In addition, Yes I have seen what other things you have written on this board in other sections, Including in Sifu Burtons Section. However, there your nice to him and at least and dont insult one of his main teachers of JKD to him there in his area.

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Thai Bri Wrote: Anyway, if you're really trying to teach people how to survive, why are you teaching such a massive syllabus? There is a real danger of information over load when under a real threat.
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NOTE: These are my words and what i feel and believe not anyone else’s.

Frist off i dont teach the full program of inosanto JKD-Kali format for saving life However I do advocate this format of JKD and other formats of Realty based martial arts to my SDA students as one of the possibility’s for them to train in long term when they have learned Level one of the frist 30 hours of core SDA that is taught as part of TAO SDA " The Art of Self Defense and Awareness. “That or its equivalent with another organzation” Also I have a feeling you have no idea what my format for teaching SDA is. Self Defense and Awareness is totally different from Martial arts. JKD is a martial art. Granted a realty based one but still an art.

JKD, And Filipino Martial arts are what i consider Realty based Martial arts. My core SDA program incorrages a student that has never trained in martial arts to take some kind of art long term art, but only after they have learned there core SDA stuffs. This is to help them learn long term empowerment, and long term martial skills that they might want to use as part of there SDA training. It also gives them a wide rage of training partners and a training area where they can push there SDA techniques and physical Capability’s.

With long term training they also gain the long term positive aspects that the training can bring them in body mind and sprit. What arts i incorraged them to take depends on what type of long-term training they are looking for. For instance, Some people I gear towards holistic healing arts instead of martial arts based on there long term needs. Especially once I know they are able to save there butts on the streets, or at least partly. Sometimes there are people that are just not capable of learning or want to learn a long term martial science.

This is one of the reasons i am so cross-trained and have such a wide training background and history. It was because i needed to be able to understand fully the differences of each art compared to the differences of saving life. I have evaluated almost every Martial art and Self-defense program out there over the past 5 years on a global level for one reason only. So i knew where to send my students for long term training based on what there needs will be after they have been with me for their core SDA.

The format of many stylings of JKD-FMA do not cover what i consider the majority core self defense and awareness that is needed for a Realty based Self-Defense and Awareness corse outline.

But that’s because they are martial arts, not self defense and awareness classes. Though they are realty based arts, and they cover most of the physical techniques needed to fight in a fight against someone or save your life on the streets. However, many dont cover the core Awareness education and Avoidance education that myself, the government, and other anti violence or violence prevention agency’s feel is necessary for the average untrained person to save there life with.

Easy outline for any core SDA or anti violence corse should be

1. Prevention- How to stop it from happening and preventing the instances of violent crime we face in today’s society by education, awareness and examples.

2. Avoidance- learning how to cut the risks of being a victim of violent crime by assessing our personal risk factors and becoming aware of all the possible instances of risk. Then how to avoid the risk factors by evaluating your personal life.

3. De-Escalation: Verbal tactics for instances of violent crime where physical attack is not instant and can be possibly de-escalated before physical contact takes place.

4. Stopping Aggression-Creating a Distance: simple physical tactics to stop physical aggression, how to create a distance to stop incoming contact, or once contact has started using physical techniques to get away.

5. Escape: after stopping the aggression with the intent getting away and saving your life, its never about staying about and duking it out, the intent is always to get out.

6. Realty based scenario training based on each instance of violent crime in todays society. These tests should be worked out for each student based on there physical capability’s and acceptability’s.

As far as long term Traditional martial arts: Most students especially women dont commit to training long enough to get to advanced stages to even become proficient enough on the streets to hold there own physically against a real opponent or learn enough awareness education to avoid or survive a violent confrontation.

The realty’s of fully black belted Traditional martial arts students dieing on the streets can attest to inappropriate training for the instance of SDA and self defenses in a realty based situation.

Then the turnover rates in Dojo’s, gyms and training halls can easily attest to how long students actually commit to training physically. Its why and how they stay in business actually, people pay for things they dont use, hoping that paying for it commits them. However, in actuality they dont come back for whatever reason. Do you really think LA fitness could afford to sell one-year memberships for 99 bucks if even half the people showed up that paid?

From what i have seen and have learned wile evaluating organizations and their programs, even the realty based ones take at least 6 months to a years commitment to learn the physical techniques well enough that are needed to survive a real violent confrontation. And in some instances depending on the teacher and organzation they never learn the avoidance and awareness education they need for today’s realty based survival issues.


Ms. J……

[Thai Bri]

You sure seem to have a downer on women.

[Ms. J]

The mindset of denial

Thai bri,

I only referred to women once in the post you are commenting on, if you re-read the post you will find that I qualify that most of the post is in reference to PEOPLE, not just woman. Though it is a fact based on the actual statistics and what is happening out in the world that woman don’t and cant commit to long term training.

There are many reasons for this fact, I never said that women are doing it because they necessarily want to be that way, or are incapable of being otherwise. The highest killer to woman in the United States is heart disease, and most woman that come down with heart disease do so in their 40’s. the AMA has stated that this is mostly because of life time diet and lack of physical activity.

And yes its apparent based on the statistics this has to change for woman, children and men. If we looked closer at the other stats based on heath in the US you will find that men, and children are suffering just as badly health wise. We are breading ourselves into bad health based on the way we raise our children.

Am I down on women? No but I am fully aware of the statistics, and I am as well aware of what the realty’s are for woman in the USA, the UK (your country,) and what is taking place on a global level. There is a very good reason I am Thai, its what I sort of do for a living, I run a non profit holistic healing organization that teaches victims of violent crime. Not just woman but men and children as well. Its amazing what is really taking place compared to the misconceptions of the uninformed.

And I know why woman cant, wont and don’t train long term. But if I have to detail that out here, my reply “ in your view no doubts” would be man bashing and I would be down on men.


Ms. J bows deeply..

Quote“ Many people live in a state of denial because the denial state is easier to face then the realities of what they are, who they are and what they believe they are” Ego Kills”

[Thai Bri]

I threw that tiny piece of bait and you bit. I'm just playing your ego. You have a lot to learn.

But respect to terry for not saving your ass.