Stop worshipping Bruce

[WiLd-EyEd]

What about the other way?

what if they didn?

What if they thought the li'l chinaman was jus full of shit and was just trying to make a buck by selling everybody on this notion that he was something special when he really wasnt?

would you not give a shit about that or would you get all huffy and defensive like all these other drooling queer-for-Bruce shit-for-brains?

wood ye care?

[El Mastero]

That's the point. I like Bruce's movies some may not. I think JKD is cool and others think it's crap. So the f*ck what? If someone wants to debate it one way or the other then great. I just don't get why people get so worked up about it. Why go out of one's way to ridicule someone? It's pointless. Man, some people are like internet Jehovah witness'. Stop trying to save people. Sheesh!

[WiLd-EyEd]

So you dont care either way?

[SINOMONIS]

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[Spanky says if you cannot say anything nice, you won't be allowed to say anything at all.

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[WHITE TIGER]

Why would anyone care if people worship Bruce Lee or not? I don't give a rats ass if someone decided to create an altar to the guy and got on their hands and knees every night to pray to him. I don't care if they perceive the Tao of JKD as their gospel. I don't even care if they feel that their skills are invincible. That has absolutely nothing to do with me, so why should I or anyone else care? Does it really matter to anyone what the other guy/girl believes? Why? How does that affect you personally?

People need heroes but I know what you mean about making the Tao of JKD their gospel.
But it's nature for people to care, I don't know why but thats just how it is plus bruce lee was a great person but if people cared about him as much as they tought they wouldn't worship him because he always said he was just a normal person he achieved his goals.
But people shouldn't ridicule a person I mean his dead now.

[Marku]

I respect bruce lee, He was a good human being with talents and ideas. Like all MA'ist's shud be doing. he used what worked for him best, not just what he was taught by instructors. ^_^

[AJay]

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Bruce deserves continued praise and admiration for what he achieved as he makes a lot of peoples lifes better off.



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[CrescentDreams]

Most christians dont really do what they are supposed to anyway. They had a great idea from jesus about peace, tolerance etc. Perhaps if they had followed those teachings they would have built a utopia. But no:

They keep the six day creation story (which is obviously just wrong)
They keep the "history" of their faith (although it is not exactly reliable)
They even say the prayers, tell the parables to their children.

But they dont actualy follow the important stuff. The stuff worth having has been lost.

CRUSADES.

sorry for goin a lil off topic but lizard....u make no sense. Your actin as if Christianity is any less reliable than Evolution. Evolution was NEVER proven. It's just a theory.Hell any one with the IQ of a rock can come up with a theory. But to say evolution actually happened is BAD SCIENCE. No observations. All they did was find bones which could have been the bones of ANYTHING, and say it was from millions of years ago. They have no proof that it was from back then. That just makes it more believable.BAD SCIENCE.
tell me:
Were u there when the world was created? no
So shut the face.

again i apolagize for goin off topic...i just HAD to say that. Man oh man...some people!

and about bruce...he should be respected. He brought alot of great ideas to the MA world. But he's a far cry from perfect (isn't everyone?)

[Arramon]

geez...

I could not vote on this.. because there are only two choices... Is he being worshipped or not. I think that he is a model for martial arts trainees who have no knowledge in any styles or types of defensive training. And that with his personalized version of martial arts, one can easily learn and adapt this training to their own defensive understandings...
I knew nothing of styles or techniques other than that seen on television, until I signed up for a JKD class last year...
And what my Sifu teaches us is FAR from any type of worshipping mumbo jumbo that is being talked about here.
He sticks with only the basic fundamentals of Jeet Kune Do as taought by Bruce... Grappling, Attacking, Defending & Trapping. ... ...um... no worshipping...

If people ARE worshipping Bruce Lee, then I think that may have a different take on why Bruce existed. I never really saw him as a spiritual leader, but more a personal liberator when it came to defending one's self. He taught how to make your mind and focus pinpointed into an extreme measure of precise reaction... An instant affect to any given cause. Nothing really about what one's soul & spirit should give praise and worship to... but about how you can achieve a personal freedom through the art of martial conditioning.

My faith and what I believe isn't brought into question when I train twice a week for almost 2 hours each class... my sweat and blood come into question when I am too slow at reacting, or after I've done a hundred or so jab/crosses, rear thrust kicks, or jab/elbow combos... There are no pictures of Bruce up... (yet.. since I asked if we could put some up), there are no plaques that we bow and pray or light an insense to.. my Sifu has the radio on, 107.9 fm, so that we can have some tunes while we work... There are no offerings, or sacrifices or any other types of religious sarimonies to speak of... =/

I think Bruce Lee helped to put martial arts in the mainstream here in America... other Asian countries already had their own cultures based on the old principles of martial arts... but it was here in the States that was a new ground for this type of Art, and Bruce saw that... I guess he could be considered a pioneer, yes... and thank God for that...
(not God being Bruce, but God being God..creator of the heavens above) =Þ

And did someone say crappy movies??????!
OMG... what's a crappy movie? How about the movies that come out today? Those are filled with the most crap I've ever seen Hollywood dish out... It's like they ran out of crap from their Employee bathrooms and went straight to the port-a-potties outside! (maybe 1 out of 20 movies is good)

If you watch a Bruce Lee film and stop the video while he is fightin, especially in DVD, you can see his excact training methods in action... You can learn from watching those films, because what Bruce taught within his basic knowledge of JKD, he put within those first 4 films of his...
And if you have biography videos of Bruce's home movies or other specials about him, you can see in live action how fast he truelly was, no hollywood glamour, no special fx... just Bruce as he really was and how he trained...
The scenes within the movies were of course choreographed, and THAT was how he didn't HURT anyone... he practiced with the stand-ins over and over so that no one would get hurt, but, of course some did... oh well. They were in Bruce's film... so I'm sure they didn't mind. Game of Death would have been better if he had done more scenes that just the main fight. But you can't help death...

If he were alive today, I believe that he would have kept with his training and may have developed another level of martial arts than have yet to be attained by the fighters of today... there are no super heroes... no ninjas that fly through the air... but Bruce was so light on his feet that he could jump over 7 feet in the air while flipping... ahem.. Enter the Dragon - Special Edition...

...I don't worship him, I train under his teachings of self-defense... the Way of the Intersepting Fist... JKD

[m.artist]

sorry for goin a lil off topic but lizard....u make no sense. Your actin as if Christianity is any less reliable than Evolution. Evolution was NEVER proven. It's just a theory.Hell any one with the IQ of a rock can come up with a theory. But to say evolution actually happened is BAD SCIENCE. No observations. All they did was find bones which could have been the bones of ANYTHING, and say it was from millions of years ago. They have no proof that it was from back then. That just makes it more believable.BAD SCIENCE.
tell me:
Were u there when the world was created? no
So shut the face.

again i apolagize for goin off topic...i just HAD to say that. Man oh man...some people!

and about bruce...he should be respected. He brought alot of great ideas to the MA world. But he's a far cry from perfect (isn't everyone?)

true evolutions hasn't been proven but neither has god. that's one big walking variable there

[Uncle Corny]

best thread on the entire board.

[yentao]

"i know alot of folk discredit bruce lee, think hes underrated"

If only you were being sarcastic.

Actualy I think the people on this forum are a bit obssessed about him. He is OVER-RATED.

"I think bruce lee would have become a great scientist if he had studied science"

NO, to be a good scientist you need to be good at science. Bruce was good at fighting. Science is not the same as fighting.

Bruce was not a god, or an alien, he was not ressurected and now working as a secret agent. He was just a guy.

He also had many bad points (I don't care if you call me a heretic). He could be angry and violent. He was OBSESSED with training. He wore a silly yellow tracksuit in one of his films.

Bruce never was and never will be perfect. Trying to copy him won't make you as good at fighting as him. Praising him and saying how great he was and how much we all must respect him won't make him come down from heaven and grant you wishes.

This forum may as well be called the "wasn't bruce great, how can I be more like him?" forum.

Follow the tracksuit, the holy tracksuit of Bruce
No the gourd, follow the gourd
He has left us his sandal, it is a sign that we must do the same!

Great film, life of brian. (quest for the holy grail was good too though)

But remember without him kung fu will not be open to westerners.
But also remember that it was because of him the obsession in learning kung fu raise, many fakies, and mc dojo's established then kung fu now a days are getting bad reputations..

[shasan]

wow, two more months and it will be a year.

[fenwick99]

re

I agree: go beyond Bruce, but recognize his contributions.
Build on what he started, but do not pretend that he was just any other instr.
at the corner dojo.

[Arramon]

yeah... not just any other sifu...

seriously... I don't think Bruce would have just quick teaching after 3 years because it wasn't lucrative enough, or teaching didn't bring in the most money (although for him, I believe it did) inwhich my sifu did. I am very disappointed because of this. I have been taking JKD for over a year, and with 6 months left in my contract, our sifu tells us he's quiting and remaining in Law school which he has involved in also.

Whatever...

I'll learn from another. Just not many JKD instructors where I'm at... =/