Wong Jak Man kicked Brue's ass.

[huey]

i believe the wong version of the story on many sides.
i have heard many stories from people who were around oakland and san francisco at that time and all seem to end with the references jerk,asshole,arrogant,disrespectful, all being attributed to bruce.
these others i cannot substantiate but they are entertaining anyway.
other stories say he would sucker punch people for the hell of it.
one such story was of bruce on a television show along with a tai chi master. the tai chi master who was pretty old was discussing chi and would like to demonstrate it for everyone. the host agreed and the master stood up. he asked bruce who was sitting to his right to assist him by pushing against him. bruce hit him in the stomach leaving the master on the floor. bruce said "i don't push i punch." and walked off the set
another was once when he went to vegas with his wife he walked up and started talking to a bouncer in a club he was in. after talking for a while he punched the bouncer.
here's another (the last one)
a tournament held by ed parker and others in oakland (don't know the year so that is suspicious aspect number one) and they had booked bruce as a special guest at the tournament. i guess he had an argument or something with some people ending in him hitting one or two (can't get firm details on that part) anyway he was walking toward ed parker (kenpo teacher who also taught elvis) and his good friend al moore sr. well i guess seeing what bruce had done earlier told the two what was going to happen to them. (i've heard two versions on this part and will list them as A and B)
A. bruce threw a punch at Al and he blocked it and chopped bruce in the neck knocking him out. he told the people bruce was with "tell him if he tries that again i'll kill him."
B.Al side stepped bruce and hit him in the neck without saying anything.
ok last one i promise
was that during the filming of return of the dragon chuck had to slow down everything he did so bruce wouldn't look slow. if this were true on any level (which i don't think it was or is )i am sure it was for filmography only.
hey i like the guys movies the same as the next guy as well as his accomplishments in ma so please don't think i am hatin' and start tearing me apart for lack of factual substance. i don't have any like i said i wasn't there for any of these but since we're talking about stories...

[akja]

Originally posted by Serrada
The only real fight he had in the US was with Wong Jak Man. I started this thread as a factual statement since there has been much discussion over Bruce’s fights. If you sit down with Ted Wong and Inosanto they’ll tell you he got beat. Wong Jak Man sure as hell didn’t lose. He came to Bruce with 8 other Chinese MA. Do you think they let Wong Jak Man lose? They stopped him from killing Bruce and told him he must now stop teaching Chinese MA to the Qui Lo (white man). So he did and he made up his own system JKD. That as we all know isn't the only reason. Bruce never even learn the complete version of his modified wing chun.

Much respect to Dan and Ted but they were not there.
Nor did Wong have 8 guys with him. Before stating "your facts" try talking to someone who was there or at least someone who was in the Oakland school at that time.

[akja]

Originally posted by Thai Bri
Bruce fought thousands of people and always beat them easily.

I don't believe that crap, but I just thought I'd post a synopses of what some of the wankers on here will soon be posting.

Bruce fought thousands of people and always beat them easily.

[Serrada]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by carter
[B]your so full of shit, tell me when was the last time you sat down with Ted Wong and Dan Insontano and discussed the topic.

I have and I’ve been doing Wing Chung and JKD since 1988 and have gone to more seminars with these guys than I can count.

Anyway, adacas is correct, but I don’t know anything about a second fight.

Fact Yip Man didn’t teach zoning, distancing, body language, whipping the hips into punches & kicks and footwork until student became very senior and trustworthy. Now, the story has been told to me that every time Bruce turned to do a reverse put or kick Wong Jak Man beat him to the punch by side stepping and attaching his week side. Bruce had never been taught to counter these movements like senior students of Yip Man like William Chueng. In turn, Bruce took some of the above mentioned attributes from Filipino MA that he learned from Insontano. Bruce’s brother was a very good fencer and Bruce felt this footwork gave him the most mobility. In fencing you also have your weapons forward. Bruce also adopted this. Bruce took the fight to the ground to even the odds. Sorry, but he still lost. But that led to he seeking Jujitsu training also and that’s why ground fighting is in his book.

Please don’t get me wrong, I’m the biggest fan of Bruce, JKD, Wing Chung and the Filipino MA, but the fact is that at the time of his fight with Wong Jak Man, Bruce was not the man or the MA he became. I’ve been studying this for a long time and don’t know of any factual fights in the US post Wong Jak Man. He had many challenges and some people said that he got into a fight during the filming of Enter the Dragon, but I personally don’t belive it b/c Bruce nor anyone can account for the events of this fight and if it happened I think there would be more details.

Believe it or not It’s the only stories I’ve here that really do make sense. I think if Wong Jak Man and Bruce met again, Bruce would have kicked the shit out of Wong Jak Man. Period.

[adacas]

man oh man have you guys got your nunchuks crossed. sure bruce lee got whooped the first time but he got the guy back. didn't you guys see that made for tv bruce lee biography staring that guy who played mogli in the junglebook. and he did it while wearing funky looking white limo driver pants after labor day. oh yeah he was at a great disadvantage hehe.

[carter]

your so full of shit, tell me when was the last time you sat down with Ted Wong and Dan Insontano and discussed the topic.

Is it the Cool new Trend to Hate on Bruce Lee Nowadays?

[Serrada]

The only real fight he had in the US was with Wong Jak Man. I started this thread as a factual statement since there has been much discussion over Bruce’s fights. If you sit down with Ted Wong and Inosanto they’ll tell you he got beat. Wong Jak Man sure as hell didn’t lose. He came to Bruce with 8 other Chinese MA. Do you think they let Wong Jak Man lose? They stopped him from killing Bruce and told him he must now stop teaching Chinese MA to the Qui Lo (white man). So he did and he made up his own system JKD. That as we all know isn't the only reason. Bruce never even learn the complete version of his modified wing chun.

[Jowan]

What?

So you're telling me enter the dragon was a documentary? not an action movie???
ah man, thats great! no, honestly!
deeply sorry 4 the sarcasm
-Jowan-

[Thai Bri]

Told you......................

[Lizard]

Hey thai bri you must not have seen enter the dragon, he easily beat about a hundred people without even thinking twice about it. Wong jack man? Han was the only person who ever came close to beating bruce (and having a claw hand is a bit of an advantage).

Now post again... with emotional content, NOT ANGER!

[Szczepankiewicz]

Bruce fought thousands of people and always beat them easily.

[Thai Bri]

Bruce fought thousands of people and always beat them easily.

I don't believe that crap, but I just thought I'd post a synopses of what some of the wankers on here will soon be posting.

[chris davis 200]

of course it doesnt

I think that there was a very close fight that happened - i dont think that either kicked the others ass - i think that Bruce had a big head about his abilities and then realised ' he wasnt all that' then felt the need to be ' all that' and worked his ass off to accomplish it.

Fairplay to the man.

cheers
chris

[Serrada]

Here’s another couple flowery stories as will:

http://www.angelfire.com/nj2/gothboymike/brucelee.html

http://www.bruceleedivinewind.com/dragon.html

But that doesn’t mean there true!

[chris davis 200]

I dont know about kicked his ass - but this is the account that i believe

http://martialarts.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.kungfu.net/brucelee.html

cheers
Chris