Wong Jak Man kicked Brue's ass.

[medic06]

In all fairness he didn't say the world. He said America.

[Red Rum]

Woah, I wasn't bashing Dan Insonato - I was just responding to Fenwick who claimed
'IMO Dan Inosanto is the most important and influential teacher in American martial arts, and he has been for at least 20 years, and he probably would be so if there had been no Bruce Lee. ..'

I was just saying that there are many more important martial artists in the world today.
Dan Insonato is good and I am not taking anything away from him but if you're going to say that someone is that good, you should be able to back it up

Kevin Chan is also good, but I would never dream of saying he is the best in the world. I certainly feel that he has given me more than any other teacher I have trained under and that I think that he is one of the most underrated martial artists around.

And yes it was a world poll. But polls aren't always correct.

[medic06]

Really? I never heard of Kevin Chan until you posted your website. I find it highly doubtful that it was a world poll. . . . .

And why must you continue this attack on Dan Inosanto?

[Red Rum]

It was an all world poll.

[medic06]

Yeah. So? What are you arguing? He has still lived off the Bruce Lee name. And he isn't that great - he was ranked below my Sifu in a martial arts poll in Martial Arts Illustrated!! I doubt his influence would have spread without Bruce Lee

Once again, I must know why would an American be ranked among British martial artists?

[medic06]

I would highlight the word arguably - after all, he was a Judo guy. Or that is what he was claiming in the article

Ooooooo, more bashing. . . . .

[Red Rum]

IMO Dan Inosanto is the most important and influential teacher in American martial arts, and he has been for at least 20 years, and he probably would be so if there had been no Bruce Lee. ..

Yeah. So? What are you arguing? He has still lived off the Bruce Lee name. And he isn't that great - he was ranked below my Sifu in a martial arts poll in Martial Arts Illustrated!! I doubt his influence would have spread without Bruce Lee

That said, the Bruce movies were what started the martial arts craze in the west. Bruce started it, and because of Bruce many ordinary men are making a living teaching the arts- ordinary men who were never world champs, pro boxers, navy seals, or elite swat officers..

In other words, fakes

Just real people who are black belts and who attained enough knowldge and ability to teach, are what we are speaking of here! And although Bruce was a critic of the standard formalized arts, all styles, including the taekwondo criticized by Bruce, exploded into a golden era from 1973-1984, when the karate Kid provided inspiration for a new generation of nervous seven year olds in white gis with white belts, some of whom are now themselves professional martial arts instructors. Regardless of his true skill, Bruce is george washington when it comes to martial arts. .

Typical American

BTW the "stuntman" who beat Bruce was Judo Gene LeBell, arguably the greatest fighter of the 20th century. Bruce would lose to Gene, but so would just about everyone else.

I would highlight the word arguably - after all, he was a Judo guy. Or that is what he was claiming in the article

[fenwick99]

re

IMO Dan Inosanto is the most important and influential teacher in American martial arts, and he has been for at least 20 years, and he probably would be so if there had been no Bruce Lee. That said, the Bruce movies were what started the martial arts craze in the west. Bruce started it, and because of Bruce many ordinary men are making a living teaching the arts- ordinary men who were never world champs, pro boxers, navy seals, or elite swat officers.
Just real people who are black belts and who attained enough knowldge and ability to teach, are what we are speaking of here! And although Bruce was a critic of the standard formalized arts, all styles, including the taekwondo criticized by Bruce, exploded into a golden era from 1973-1984, when the karate Kid provided inspiration for a new generation of nervous seven year olds in white gis with white belts, some of whom are now themselves professional martial arts instructors. Regardless of his true skill, Bruce is george washington when it comes to martial arts. BTW the "stuntman" who beat Bruce was Judo Gene LeBell, arguably the greatest fighter of the 20th century. Bruce would lose to Gene, but so would just about everyone else.

[Red Rum]

Woah woah woah. Bruce Lee purist vs. mischevious devils.....

Okay let me bring some clarification. Bruce Lee always said that he was nowhere near as good a martial artist as many of the people back in Hong Kong. He only completed a short term in wing chun (ie he barely knew the second form). I understand that he went back to Yip Man later to ask to be taught the final forms, but Yip Man refused. I believe he was also taught Mantis and other elements of fighting

When he came to America he found that the 'traditional' wing chun that he learnt fell apart as it did not account for grapples/clinches or long distance fighting.

One account tells how a Judo guy/stunt co-ordinator came onto the set of the Green Hornet and carried Bruce in a lock over his shoulder, mocking him and making fun of him. So bruce realised that there was a gaping difference between how Westerners fought and how kung fu practitioners trained

He formed Jeet Kune Do in an attempt to accomodate the principles of wing chun into a more realistic format. Some would say he failed dramatically. Others would say he did a good job.
When you look at the people it has produced - Rick Young, Dan Insonato etc then you have to admit that he did okay

And please remember that no-one is flawless in martial arts. There was a time during their training when Fedor, Royce Gracie, Chuck Liddell and yes even Brucie got their ass* handed to them

[wsdddoa012]

opinion

"be formless, shapless like water".

My life is down the damn toilet nowdays, so with nothing better to do then b****, I'll give my two cents here:


Bruce Lee a man of passion, myth, legend and ability.

Was Bruce Lee an amazing fighter? Some believe yes, others No I believe he just lucky. I dont think he had a big head about himself, nor do I think he was trying to be the best in a sense of saying "I'm better then all of you" though at that time maybe he was right?

All this BS about Bruce Lee needs to stop, "could he beat so and so" who cares? Bruce Lee was an outstanding martial artist who changed the martial arts community for the better but also for the worst. Let a martial artist instructor RIP.

FOR *OD SAKES!!!!!! LET HIM REST... THE MAN'S BEEN DEAD FOR OVER 40 YEARS!!!!!!

P.S. WHEN THE HELL DID THIS SECTION GET POLITICAL??

[fenwick99]

re:

As an aside, I love arts like hapkido, hwa rang do, and kuk sool won, and even tang soo do. TKD is good depending on the teacher, but it is too slow for me, biomechanically.
I will try to get my nephews in these arts if they show an interest........
. Two problems, however: many adults are too stiff to do any Korean style, and there is the issue of what Sijo DeMile of Wing Chun Do calls
"the toolbox." In other words, your CNS will only
allow you to get good at 5-10 techniques, maybe 15 at most, and these are what you will rely upon when faced with a real situation. It is easy to decide on your toolbox tools if you study an art that has only 5, 35, or 108 techniques. But some styles like certain versions of hapkido actully brag about having 4,000 techniques or 10,000 techniques. What not go 4 a million?
How many variations are there of a str8 punch: Let see: vertical, diagonal, or
horizontal fist. Elbow down or up. Start from a get-set position or from anywhere. Supinate the wrist, or not. There are only so many ways to move the body, and the CNS can only automatize a finite # of moves, unless you are a great talent like
Sijo Bruce Lee or Senior GM Edmund Keoluha Parker, Sr.

[SamuraiGuy]

Who said Bush is in the closet?...Although more than a few senators appear to be.

I meant trying to hide being a fascist dictator, but besides that, he could very well be in the closet, the whole "homophobe" thing, where your like "I HATE GAY PEOPLE" but its realy because he doesnt want people to know he is one.

Interesting theory....

Maybe this whole War in Iraq is ust him compensating for something...

[Garland]

Risk I'm willing to take...

Actually theres no risk... our country isnt run by a closet facist dictator... I doubt anyone is getting tried for trivia for something as trivial as a sport here.. in America.. I dont know though...

Who said Bush is in the closet?...Although more than a few senators appear to be.

[SamuraiGuy]

You say **** hockey? Can't you get tried for treason for that?

Risk I'm willing to take...

Actually theres no risk... our country isnt run by a closet facist dictator... I doubt anyone is getting tried for trivia for something as trivial as a sport here.. in America.. I dont know though...

[Garland]

Didnt you see the southpark movie Canada apologized for Celine Dion.

And your right Canada didnt have to fight England for their independence, we are the wanted child, we asked and recieved cause were the good ones, not like you douches who had a tantrum, and cried until you left. Pussies cant even talk about stuff, your like roid raged fools.

**** hockey, its kind of a gay sport.. all that ice, who skates...

Kids in the hall... is funny... and... well funny , but sometimes.. dont know about it...

Semi-Drinkable beer, I'm not a beer drinker (drink whiskey you pussies) are you kidding american beer is piss with no alcohol in it... Beer is pussy no matter what unless its whiskey labeled beer, but whatever.

We brought you insulin motherfuckers....

You say **** hockey? Can't you get tried for treason for that?