Hapkido and Aikido

[ajs1976]

How similiar are the two? I have read that they are basically the same, but i have also read that depending on the kwan/style, Hapkido can include a lot more.

Has any out there actually practiced both and have a comparison?

[Strepto]

You can think of hapkido as aikido + karate...

[bvermillion]

You can think of hapkido as aikido + karate...

You don't know how untrue that statement is. You have obviously never studied either.

[Studiobuddy]

one is japanese one is korean

one was made for counter attacks to TKD and judo

other one was made for self defense only, not to inflict excessive damage, but to prevent getting hit

[brokenelbow]

How similiar are the two?

Not very. A good Aikido primer is "Aikido and the Dynamic Sphere". Aikido has consistant principles that are quite easy to grasp, hapkido while a nice art sometimes runs into itself because it tries to be too many things at once. Still I like the art and the series of Hapkido books by Marc Tedeschi are excellent though some of the techniques are a little out there.

[IPON]

You don't know how untrue that statement is. You have obviously never studied either.

You are 100% correct......the amount of ignorance on these threads is unbelievable

[IPON]

one is japanese one is korean

one was made for counter attacks to TKD and judo

other one was made for self defense only, not to inflict excessive damage, but to prevent getting hit

What the hell are you talking about!!!!!!!!!!!! You must be really imprssive to people that know jack shit

[Studiobuddy]

maybe it's because they don't know

once everyone thought the earth was flat


they simply didnt know


i doubt no one has ever a comment that was true everytime

[IPON]

Hapkido and Aikido actually translate the same in their respective languages (the way or harmony). In short, both Aikido and Hapkido have there origins in DaitoRyu Aikijujutsu under the same instructor (Takeda Sensei). O Sensi was a formal student, but there is debate if Grandmaster Choi Yong Sool studied formally (in class) or privately or by observation as he was only a manservant of Tekada sensei. Hapkido was originally called Yoo Sool (Jujutsu) kicks from other Korean styles were added (I think Tae Kyon and Soo Bahk don’t quote me though).

Both share common theories of circular motion, but they differ in philosophy. Aikido is very defensive and Hapkido offensive (self defense based) with the exception of kicking, both use strike, throws, joint manipulation, locks, you will learn break falls and pressure point and some chokes. I have been told some Hapkido schools also incorporate ground fighting. You will probably learn more variety of weapons with HKD and it will be easier and faster to learn the principles of HKD compared to Aikido (this of course does not mean HKD is a better style).

The caution with Hapkido is that some people are fake or there are TKD guys that have a little judo training and call themselves HKD.

The caution with Aikido, is to find the dojo and style of Aikido that trains hard (e.g. Tomiki or Yoshinkan)

It not nearly 100%, but it's a summary

My $0.75

[IPON]

maybe it's because they don't know
once everyone thought the earth was flat
they simply didnt know
i doubt no one has never a comment that was true everytime

Yes, but usually when you don't know something have the decency to let the other person know that. Don't state "facts" if you don't know what you are talking about. Which generally translates into "YOU" should never post again.

[brokenelbow]

The two arts shouldn't even be compared together.

In short, both Aikido and Hapkido have there origins in DaitoRyu Aikijujutsu under the same instructor (Takeda Sensei).

I'd say that's a stretch. Putting Choi in the same Aiki-league as Okuyama and Ueshiba is almost funny. If Choi was lucky he learned by observation as I don't see much Aiki-jutsu in HKD. Different ways of moving and blending. He did a hell of a good job but he was far from being a master of Aiki-jutsu.

it will be easier and faster to learn the principles of HKD compared to Aikido

I'll disagree. Aikido is all about it's principles. Ma, tenken, irimi are intrisic to the art, it's total imersion. The Hapkido sessions that I've sat in on the students didn't have the prinicples ingrained the way even kyu rank Aikidoka do. Plenty of talk about it but just not in practice. Hapkido is a fine art that stands on it's own merits, it's just not Aikido. You want to learn to blend go Aikido.

[Studiobuddy]

Yes, but usually when you don't know something have the decency to let the other person know that. Don't state "facts" if you don't know what you are talking about. Which generally translates into "YOU" should never post again.

Yea I agree

[IPON]

I'd say that's a stretch. Putting Choi in the same Aiki-league as Okuyama and Ueshiba is almost funny. If Choi was lucky he learned by observation as I don't see much Aiki-jutsu in HKD. Different ways of moving and blending. He did a hell of a good job but he was far from being a master of Aiki-jutsu.

I never said that GM Choi was in the same league with OSensei I stated that they both learned from the same instructor. I stated OSensei learned formal from Tekada while there was debate regarding Choi (I could give my opinions on the debate but there really is no point at least for the poster).

Now what GM Choi taught when he went back to Korea was jujutsu. i agree there is a lot of variance in HKD just like Aikido. That is why I gave cautions I have walked into many HKD places that were glorified TKD but advertise HKD. I even had one "master" tell me TKD and HKD are the same except HKD has wrist locks.

Now regarding how HKD looks, I never stated it is like Aikido I stated that Daito Ryu was the common link. The styles are very different and should be both founders had very different experiences. Judo BJJ and JJJ do not closely resemble each other but the common link is JJJ (as an example)

I'll disagree. Aikido is all about it's principles. Ma, tenken, irimi are intrisic to the art, it's total imersion. The Hapkido sessions that I've sat in on the students didn't have the prinicples ingrained the way even kyu rank Aikidoka do. Plenty of talk about it but just not in practice. Hapkido is a fine art that stands on it's own merits, it's just not Aikido. You want to learn to blend go Aikido.

If I understand you correctly I don't actually think we are disagreeing. My point is that in taking HKD it is a shorter learning curve than Aikido....I am not qualifying (its not good or bad, right or wrong) it, just making a point.

The poster was asking for a comparison and I gave an simplified version. It sounds like we are on two side of the fence you studied Aikido and I studied HKD so we can give the different perspectives.

[ajs1976]

Thanks for the posts everyone.

I am taking TKD, and the one-steps and hand techniques are supposed to be from Hapkido. I have been researching Hapkido and there seems to be a lot of different information out there. This discussion helped alot.

If anyone else wants to add anything, go ahead.

[Tom Yum]

Hapkido

I don't know much about aikido.

I do know that Hapkido can be legit depending on whom you are studying from. If you are learning modern hapkido or combat hapkido, 99% of the training is based on simplicity. Other hapkido schools teach over dramatic techniques that you'll likely never use.

I earned my brown belt from a school that was more traditional, practiced too many defenses against the same techniques and did not challenge most of the students.

The other school that I went too spent a good amount of time learning how to apply your techniques. Instead of learning 10 techniques against a reverse punch; we learned one or two joint locks and how to apply them 5 different ways. For example if you seize the wrist or forearm and apply pressure behind the elbow, you create an arm lock. We were shown and allowed to practice this lock against someone doing a straight arm choke (elbow perfectly exposed), against a straight punch, against a wrist grab, and on the ground to be used in arm bars (back on the ground or belly on the ground).

On top of that we were allowed 10 or so minutes to do free grappling at the end of each class.