Korean arts effectiveness

[Andrew WA]

ok

Taekwondo works in self defense because I used it and I beat the crap out of a larger and stronger opponent. The fight went to the ground as well and I still won.

Get over it!

[Ironfist1989]

Without his boxing and bjj he would get his a$$ kicked. If you stop trying to defend your art and truly look at it objectively (hard to do) you would see that korean arts are not good for self defense or MMA.

Well in my TKD Classes we learn Ju-Jitsu Techniques as our form of Self-Defence not all TKD schools are like the McDojangs like the ones in the USA

[Bigoldandslow]

mcdojangs in USA

Not all schools in the USA are either.

[Andrew WA]

Most are though...

[Bigoldandslow]

Mcdojangs

Many, perhaps most, are. I think however that if you were to look closer even at some of the schools that appear to be nothing but Mcdojangs you would find many that train a few elite fighters at a much higher level than the other students. I don't think this is really a good thing, but the point is they at times do produce some good martial artists that someone coming in off the street would not know about.

[medic06]

YOu do have a point. Most commercial schools have at most 3 students that are any good and the rest are there just to pay the bills.

[Andrew WA]

The fighters are not elite, they are just better then the average at the school.
The students are ussually instructors used to teach class for the headmaster without any pay. The excuse of free classes is the reason, but in reality they dont even get classes or any kind of instruction since the master is too busy being lazy. So the top 3 you mentioned stay at that level and never progress. Especially because of the rules of not being allowed to spar or learn anything from other schools. Many times the students get frusterated about their skills not progressing, but they are sad that when they leave the school their rank and status will go down because more then likely their rank isnt worth crap at another school and they will also break a relationship with their master and be shunned. Some students are brave enough to take this step, but most are not.

The 3 top fighters you mentioned are most likely only pretty good at forms and learning how to do flips and spinning kicks and using really light PCP type swords and nunchukus and staffs especially. They also learn good theatrics as well. They dont really learn to fight. Unless its sport competition and thats all they are good at.

[seanyseanybean]

Please be carefull to not genralise KA as TKD, thats is part of the reason o started thisn thread.
Thanks

[kuk sool won]

Hmmm i totally agree SSB, i myself (suprisingly) study Kuk Sool Won which is a Korean martial art, it hasn't been around for too long but its inhertitance has. To me Kuk Sool Won is an extremely hard and challenging MA and i know plenty that practice it that you wouldn't want to jump in the street!

The competition sparring is point sparring so looking at that you could perceive that it is 'weak', studying different KM i realised that there are MANY moves that couldn't possibly be used in anything other than a true self defense situation so we are KSW take competition sparring as just an exercise to develop and compare skills such as speed and dex.

Unless you study a MA yourself you can't really decide wether or not its effective, look at something like Eagle Claw, to many it may look like a poor MA and it takes years of practice to even become slightly competant in it, but when put into use by its masters its an amazingly effective martial art.

TKD seems to be largely generalised through its sporting form and that is something you just can't do, you can study TKD for self defence instead of sport and you will find a completely different fighter, iv'e spoke in many different MA forums and this has constantly come up. To me KA are not poor forms of defence at all and have been a massive influence to other MA that have a stakeholdings in it.

To firstly generalise KA as TKD and KA as soft, weak arts is basically pathetic, heres a suggestion, find a DECENT school, practice it and see its full effectiveness or even do what i do, get friends that study different martial arts, spar with them, talk to them, see what the other arts are like and then pass judgement.

[Piston]

Hmmm i totally agree SSB, i myself (suprisingly) study Kuk Sool Won which is a Korean martial art, it hasn't been around for too long but its inhertitance has. To me Kuk Sool Won is an extremely hard and challenging MA and i know plenty that practice it that you wouldn't want to jump in the street!

The competition sparring is point sparring so looking at that you could perceive that it is 'weak', studying different KM i realised that there are MANY moves that couldn't possibly be used in anything other than a true self defense situation so we are KSW take competition sparring as just an exercise to develop and compare skills such as speed and dex.

Unless you study a MA yourself you can't really decide wether or not its effective, look at something like Eagle Claw, to many it may look like a poor MA and it takes years of practice to even become slightly competant in it, but when put into use by its masters its an amazingly effective martial art.

TKD seems to be largely generalised through its sporting form and that is something you just can't do, you can study TKD for self defence instead of sport and you will find a completely different fighter, iv'e spoke in many different MA forums and this has constantly come up. To me KA are not poor forms of defence at all and have been a massive influence to other MA that have a stakeholdings in it.

To firstly generalise KA as TKD and KA as soft, weak arts is basically pathetic, heres a suggestion, find a DECENT school, practice it and see its full effectiveness or even do what i do, get friends that study different martial arts, spar with them, talk to them, see what the other arts are like and then pass judgement.

Excellent finally someone with a bit of sense and reason, very well put sir, a great answer to the starter question of this thread.

Despite this you may still find that most people won't listen to ya...

[medic06]

My teacher trained in traditional TKD in the late 60's early 70's. He showed me a little one day, it was quite brutal to say the least.

[jubaji]

My teacher trained in traditional TKD in the late 60's early 70's. He showed me a little one day, it was quite brutal to say the least.

A lot of polyester and big collars?

[medic06]

Yup, polyester dobahks all the way. About this time the head punches went out of style, hard to cause damage with those big hairstyles


yep, pretty brutal. Basically it boils down to hit the closest target, then the next closest, and then the next. Simple but pretty effective.

[Mountaindiu]

Hapkido is Good.

[seanyseanybean]

Very well put KSW, i study Tang Soo Do, in which we learn many things which would be too dangerous to learn in free fighting. However that doesnt make free fighting pointless as i have learnt some fundamental leasons about fighting, even if its just the basics like how and when to attack/counter/retreat etc. Also you soon learn the importance of keeping your guard up at all times.
I like the art KSW alot. I loved that clip of the KSW guy who faked with his right and knocked out the pimp with a left backfist.
Deception and feints are key to the way i free fight.