Round House Kick

[Sagacious Lu]

Would you be rather hit hit by a 2x4 or a lead pipe....

Being larger taked away part of the power, does it not?

Believe you me, one can kick plenty hard with the naked foot! Had the bruises to prove it!


Edited to add: Of course, one also has to aim better.

Muay Thai fighters use the shin to strike when they throw round house kicks. They spend hour after hour condtioning their shins to do this by kicking heavy bags. I've thrown roundhouse kicks a couple different ways and I'm convinced that the thai boxers are right about the shin hitting harder. You'd probably get a better answer in the Muay Thai forum though, because although they aren't the ONLY style that includes this kick it is their signature technique.

[Hardball]

Hey question--is there much difference between a tae kwon do roundhouse and a muay thai roundhouse?

[Sagacious Lu]

Hey question--is there much difference between a tae kwon do roundhouse and a muay thai roundhouse?

I remember we went through this in a thread a while ago, although I can't find it now. I think XF said that there were a couple different variations, and that there was a type of TKD that does use the same technique as the thai boxers and that there were others that don't.

[GranFire]

The shin is still a harder surface than the instep. Thinking about it its probably a smaller impact area aswell. feel your Shin, its pointy, serious contact is only going to be 2 - 3 inches at the most in width whereas the top of the foot could potentially contain the entire width of the foot. As for length its going to be about the for both again. Due to the ankle joint there is always going to be some give when connecting with it.

I was actually thing about the ball of the foot even smaller surface area to amke contact with...and quiet sturdy...

[kurt_myers0369]

Would you be rather hit hit by a 2x4 or a lead pipe....

A lead pipe only hurts more b/c its heavier, the shin is alot heavier than the ball of the foot... Your point is moot.

[GranFire]

LOL! I wasn't arguing, just wondering...

[kuk sool won]

I was actually thing about the ball of the foot even smaller surface area to amke contact with...and quiet sturdy...

Apologies

[GranFire]

No Problem. Like I said, I was just wondering. (reminds me...need to try a round kick at boardbreaking...)

[ITFDespoja]

In regardin about the thai round kick and the tkd round kick

just learn to kick both u dont wanna limit urself. it also depends on the person likes to. and the situation. and also some ppl cant pull back there toes aswell as others to use the ball of the foot. so then the shin kick would be suitable for them.. but ive seen some freaky ppl that have freaky feet that pull the toes back. way to far. showin there ball of the foot. like if its there cock.

[Boss* up]

I assume that it most likely depends on that certain type of situation because you never know how it may end up.(most of the time).

[bigred389]

GranFire, you do bring up a good point, as Thai boxers strike with the ball of the foot...for their front kicks.
And yes...I've noticed that it can hurt...alot.

But for the angle that the Thais use on their roundhouse kicks, I think the shin works better. Often they come up...sort of like a knife slicing upwards into the ribs. When it hits, it causes massive shattering all along the ribs...at least that's the intended effect.
And against the head, I think I'd prefer the shin as well...the head is a very hard target.

Now, when throwing the front kick, due to the angle of the strike, the ball of the foot is ideal. Even better, it's used against fairly soft, flexible bones(the lower ribs), or the soft organs in the abdomen.

Good stuff.

[Piston]

A lead pipe only hurts more b/c its heavier, the shin is alot heavier than the ball of the foot... Your point is moot.

Smaller area of pressure applied=greater resultant pressure, simple physics.
I'll use a lead pipe to blatter the crap out of someone in what would probably be a satisfying fit of rage. I'll use a knife if I wanna kill him quick.

[bigred389]

Smaller area of pressure applied=greater resultant pressure, simple physics.
I'll use a lead pipe to blatter the crap out of someone in what would probably be a satisfying fit of rage. I'll use a knife if I wanna kill him quick.

Simple physics only applies when the case you're studying stays simple. Contact area isn't the only variable here.

First, the mechanics behind throwing a RH kick shin first vs ball first is very different. You cannot use the mechanics of the Thai style kick and connect ball first. Meaning there's a different level of force behind the kicks before contact is ever made.

Second, the shin isn't the large fat contact area you seem to think it is. The ball of the foot is a pretty wide compared to the shin. So the shin is more of a "slash," the ball of the foot is more of a "stab."

Third, from a medical/biological standpoint, I'm fairly certain there'd be some other variables to consider as well.

[GranFire]

Smaller area of pressure applied=greater resultant pressure, simple physics.
I'll use a lead pipe to blatter the crap out of someone in what would probably be a satisfying fit of rage. I'll use a knife if I wanna kill him quick.

LOL, the leadpipe to the back of the neck is probably pretty quick and less meesy than a missplaced stab!

[Itachi]

the only time i am going to kick with the instep is when i am sparring i want that snap sound on their chest guard so that is what i use, also because hitting with the instep makes you kicks faster in sparring. If i want to hurt some 1 a cut kick with my shin to thier thigh is always a good way to hurt some 1. Shin = power instep = precision