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**eXcessiveForce** · 12-20-2005, 10:34 PM

Actually it was something closer to a JKD stop kick to the front of the knee while they were closing and preparing to go to my head with punches.

**Piston** · 12-21-2005, 04:58 AM

Tom do maybe use different terminology to me?

A side kick by my understanding is when one pulls the foot, front or back right in enabling extra power from the thigh muscle, a sort of stamping motionto the opponents head or torso.

A turning kick would be a jabbing kick, where the motion come from the knee and on one side of the attacker.

Perhaps we mixed something up in trans-atlantic translation?

**kuk sool won** · 12-21-2005, 06:00 AM

Sorry pstevens i meant no disrespect but its hard to beleive that you have thorough understanding and training in TKD. Like i said i didn't train in it for that long but even i know most of the comments you make about it is incorrect, either you haven't have much experience at all or your instructor is pants.

When i said conditioning to the legs i meant being able to take shots to the leg, just because they have muscular legs doesn't mean they can take shots to it. To be able to take shots to the legs takes repeated blows to the danger areas and eventually, because these areas are on muscles, will be able to absorb the strike with relatively no damage, something a boxer hasn't been trained to do.

**pstevens** · 12-21-2005, 09:54 AM

Originally posted by kuk sool won

Sorry pstevens i meant no disrespect but its hard to beleive that you have thorough understanding and training in TKD. Like i said i didn't train in it for that long but even i know most of the comments you make about it is incorrect, either you haven't have much experience at all or your instructor is pants.

I have 5 years of formal TKD training and probably 4 or more informal, and hold a 2nd degree, so "yes" I know what I'm talking about. Your misunderstanding comes from a lack of competition and seeing too many highlight reels on the internet. I say lack of competition, because you and everyone else is painting a pretty picture of what "should" work, in contrast to what "actually" works. As I've mentioned, I've competed on a national level for many years. In reality, kicks get jammed a lot, people turn their backs when jammed and run the opposite direction, chambering kicks (combination kicks) don't have the impact many people believe they have, and there are countless opportunities to land boxing combinations, if people would actually do them.

Originally posted by kuk sool won

When i said conditioning to the legs i meant being able to take shots to the leg, just because they have muscular legs doesn't mean they can take shots to it. To be able to take shots to the legs takes repeated blows to the danger areas and eventually, because these areas are on muscles, will be able to absorb the strike with relatively no damage, something a boxer hasn't been trained to do.

Well, in all honesty... The only time I received proper leg conditioning was when I was doing MT. We would do drills where you do consecutive knees and kicks to pads to condition the leg - sometimes for hours at a time! This type of training isn't included in MMA, at least not that I'm aware of. The only time guys take blows to the leg is during sparring, and it's not at 100%... So I don't believe your point has any relevance... How many blows someone can take the legs depends entirely on their musculature and "personal"conditioning. When we did low kicks in TKD, the conditioning was nowhere near this, hence my legs were not even close to the same endurance level of the other MT guys in the gym.

**pstevens** · 12-21-2005, 10:15 AM

Originally posted by Piston

That has to be the greatest show of your lack of knowledge yet. Of course a TKD'er can launch more than one "effective" kick without his foot touching the ground again. He can use any combination of front snap kick, turning kick, side kick, hook kick, rising kick or bring the foot back into a chamber, and this is without using any dummy kicks or spinning kicks.

Really... And where has this happen? Probably during light sparring in the gym... Check out any TKD highlight, or better yet, compete in a full-contact tournament. You will find that the kicks that knock people out were "SINGLE" kicks, not combination kicks. If you throw the front to roundhouse kick, you are essentially throwing a feint first... But, you sacrifice power because the hips have to momentarily adjust. Double kicks have no impact if the other guy decides to rush you. Chambering kicks, while pretty and quick, have no real power. The second kick does not have the velocity or push off the ground necessary for knock out power.

Originally posted by Piston

Also whoever taught you TKD must not have told you about foot positioning during all kicks except the front kick, pointing your toe on the standing foot behind you, giving you more foot to rest on and thus better balance. Difficult to master but very effective.

You are either a complete moron, or ignorant... I was talking about footwork as it pertains to mobility, NOT placement of your foot during kicking.

Originally posted by Piston

Bollocks, when was the last time you saw a WTF TKD'er block anything? I'm not saying what they do is smart, but they certainly don't block.

Exactly, which is why a boxer will own a TKD guy... Blocking is the primary defense of TKD, so the fact that they hardly block means they're toast against punchers. Fortunately, I NEVER fought this way and wondered why anyone would.

Originally posted by Piston

Yah, see you gotta understand that a half decent TKD'er isn't simply gonna kick once and wait to get his nose broken. Kicking combonations can hold a boxer at bay especially ones that vary their angle and positioning, also the high chamber can make life tough for a boxer because that upward movement isnt required any more making kicks very quick whilst still having the distance.

Kicking combinations are easy to jam, and when that happens the TKD guy is at a disadvantage... Anyway, Piston, I don't intend on responding to anymore of your posts. Other than proving that you're sparring with a complete novice who believes he's doing boxing, your posts have been less than insightful... Don't take it to heart.

**Piston** · 12-21-2005, 12:11 PM