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My memories of American Kickboxing are from the BIll Wallace era or the period of time from the mid 70's until around the late 80's when you had people like Jeff Smith, "Thunder" Thurman and Jean Yves Theriault fighting. It was sometimes differentiated from Thai Boxing by calling it "Full Contact Karate" and the main governing bodies were the PKA and the ISKA.
Most of those guys that fought at the time I believe came from a TKD background which kinda nullifies the original question. But, I guess if you are talking about two people who are equaly conditioned not only on a cardiovascular level but also on a level where contact was involved, it would come down to the environment. A kickboxer would obviously have more "Ring Sensitivity" so I would have to give it to a kickboxing in the ring. In a wider, more open environment I would give it to a TKD person. If we are considering the era, I would even lean more towards a TKD person due to the fact that the art was much more hard core during that time.
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Originally posted by gabbahI train in kickboxning (not muay thai). I think that's what is called american kickboxing, which as far as I know is boxing + muay thai kicks (no knees, elbows or clinch work).
When you you want to compare TKD with american kickboxning, you have to specify the rules first. If there are no rules, I would say it's pretty equal since none of the arts/sports has any ground or clinch game.
If you allow punching to the head, the kickboxer will have a huge advantage, because most TKD gyms don't sparr with punching to the head. When you haven't trained getting attacked to the head with punches your natural reflexes will kick in and you will close you eyes and perhaps even turn your head away. Then you are dead meat...
So it all depends on the rules. If it's TKD rules, then it's probable that TKD is better.
Sometimes TKD-people train at my gym, and they always have a big problem with punches to the head.
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Originally posted by PistonGah, only the WTF nancies, in ITF if you put your guard down like they do you'll have a broken nose( okay maybe a little exagguration but you get my point).
The next thing that matters is lowkicks or no lowkicks. If you allow lowkicks that changes the game quite a bit I think. So a sideways stance may be dangerous if lowkicks are allowed.
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Personally I don't much care, I found WTF tkd horrible. generall skill level was poor, techniques were mostly flawed or down right useless how they were taught. Hands were ineffectively taught if they were taught.
It has only gotten worse since it became a part of the olympics.
Last WTF school I went to did not even allow kicks to the head in sparring because it was too dangerous. needless to say I did not train there. And before someone starts saying its the american training, He was from Korea and had not been in the US very long. He was also a master in WTF.
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Well I don't think anyone really gives a crap what you think. Lol... WTF sucks? Good luck with that blatant bashing of other styles. And just what style of TKD is it that you do that is sooo superior, my friend?
By th eway, are you a well-known master? Internationally known fighter perhaps?
Nah... I didn't think so. Cut the crap.
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I love how he responds to a reasonably well reasoned experienced opinion with a torrent of childish insults. Its priceless and adorable.
Originally posted by gabbahok, so ITF trains with punches to the head? That's better then.
The next thing that matters is lowkicks or no lowkicks. If you allow lowkicks that changes the game quite a bit I think. So a sideways stance may be dangerous if lowkicks are allowed.
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Originally posted by PistonWe do actually train in low kicks on padwork and other such excersises, I personally enjoy a good knee shot/hook kick or side kick combo, it works wonders. What you'll find though with most tkd practitioners is that if the possibility of a leg kick is there they can lift that front leg and counter-attack *really* fast, hell that front leg can be in a high chamber 35/45% of the time, meaning should anyone try and leg kick the back leg they get stamped on. And that aint nice.
Sure, there are always techniques that can be used in certain situations, but the truth is that if you are not used to sparring with lowkicks you will have a hard time seeing them coming, especially after a three punch combo to the head.
Also, TKD don't train very much boxing do they? It's not possible to keep a guy off you forever if he wants to come in close, and when he's close he will unload his boxing. I don't think TKD practises that way.
I'm only saying that you are good at what you train at. So or instance, if I fought a muay thai guy, he would probably catch me in the clinch and take me out with knees. I would have a hard time with that because I don't train in it. On the other hand, if the rules allow for ground fight, that same muay thai guy would have a hard time against a BJJ guy who takes him down, simply because he doesn't know the ground game.
So, if I was to fight a TKD guy, I would keep a tight guard on my way in, take some kicks on my guard, and then unload the hooks and uppercuts to body and head. I would know that unless he has practised boxing, his punches will be weak, so that if we start trading, I would get the better of it.
But perhaps I'm wrong, and TKD trains boxing as well? But it's hard to punch from the sideway stance of TKD. At least when it comes to any other punch than the jab.
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You people claim WTF sucks... First of all WTF isn't a style, it's an organization. Bashing WTF is bashing Taekwondo.
You claim WTF sucks but I guarantee if you don't go to a mcdojang, there will be a lot of WTF guys that will kick your sorry ass.
And also, since when does your opinion have any validity to it? Are you an internationally reknowned master or fighter? Have I seen your name in any martial arts magazine articles? Nope, I don't think I have. So unless you actually think somebody gives a damn about your crappy opinon, then I dont care about your crappy opinion.
I've suggested a training regimen for you to improve the quality of your life as well as those around you:
Step 1: Drive to Cornell University
Step 2: Go to that infamous cliff there that students commit suicide off of.
Step 3: Go to the ledge and look down at that BIG ravine.
Step 4: Don't worry about it and just go for it. Jump.
Step 5: Have a nice trip down, idiot.
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Originally posted by tkd_person89gabbah: don't pull that "TKD guys can't puncH' bs
I'm just saying that if you don't train a lot of punching, you will not be good at it. And from what I know about TKD is that generally they focus a lot on kicks, and not punching. And that I can understand if they don't punch that much because of the sideway stance. I think it's good to be able to fight both from a sideway and from a more square stance.
Basically it comes down to what you train. I don't train clinch work and knees, so I would get owned by a muay thai fighter that knows it, no matter how good my boxing or kicks are. I would not be able to hold him of very long.
So if a TKD guy can box well, that is super. That just isn't my image of TKD, please correct me if I'm wrong...
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