Boycott Tae Kwon Do, I Hate WTF TKD!!!

[kungfupanda]

"Muay thai does not have the corner covered on conditioning" -X'Force

Yes it does. And what?...you think TKD has it covered better??? Bull.

[eXcessiveForce]

Dude, grow up!


actually as far as body conditioning for impact I think some karate system probably have better hand and leg conditioning than most arts (iron palm training, steel shirt... etc.)

As far as physical conditioning that is an individual thing and not dictated by the system you choose to study.

I don't have anything against muay thai, I do have something against people who believe that it is a perfect system and better than all others.

[Cain]

hmm

I think we have to clarify that olympic tkd != all tkd.. Taekwon-do trained properly with a good instructor is _not_ (atleast not in the federation where i train) made for competition, but for selfdefence.. and YES you have low kicks, both the snapping roundhouse as the mr. described, and the more hip-rotating kick that is much more 'heavy'. And as someone else so great put it: "the problem isn't tkd, but the bad instructors" and YES tkd DO HAVE a lot of conditioning in the system, from my first training we have conditioned both our hands and our shins.. both to block and to kick and to punch! saying that conditioning isn't a part of tkd is just plain wrong.. and saying that tkd isn't 'allowing' low kicks is also plain wrong (a normal misconseption though..). To confuse competition tkd with 'real' tkd is a common mistake. If you train with Rhee Ki Ha (a man i admire very much..) you will find that tkd (atleast the way i see it) is _not_ about playing games (yes, thaiboxing is games.. so is UFC and everything else in a ring with judges.. the only difference is the amount of it, the concept is the same) but about getting better at defending yourself, using theeth, knees, elbows and what else fitted atm! it is not about jumping around in a ring thinking that point-sparring is great! if you think tkd is all about point-sparring you are only 50% wrong, and you leave out a lot of _great_ tkd! now.. again: you can find a lot of tkd mcdojangs.. and bad instructors.. BUT.. a BIG but.. you WILL find a lot of good instructors and schools too.. capiche?

[kungfupanda]

Cain...you may find this surprising...but I actually liked that post.

And X'Force. What makes you think I think Muay Thai is perfect? I say it has better conditioning than TKD. And in my super bias opinion, it (KrabbiKrabong/Muay Thai) is a far better and more complete art than TKD.

I've studied Tang-Soo-Do (a meaner, more complete form of TKD) for 9 years now and it made my kicks down right deadly! Striking nerves and such. So I like the korean kicking arts and respect their fighters...but they got nothin on Muay Thai fighters.

[Cain]

moha

i would bet on tomaz barada against most thai's at his weight..

[Tom Yum]

Does anyone know of any TKD based fighters in K1?

[eXcessiveForce]

okay.

First, you asked me a question and then answered it yourself without finding out what my answer was.

I do not believe TKD is the best art for conditioning. It's as good as any other if that is what the person is training for.

As far as muay Thai being complete, that is silly. It has no ground fighting so it cannot be a complete art.

The system of TKD which I train as I have stated many threads before contains, all muay thai techniques, ground fighting, weapons training, and conditioning.

Most people do not train TKD forcombat orientation, but that is not the systems fault.

Also, Tang soo do is one of the base arts of TKD. Since TKD was created by combining all the arts of Korea it is not likely that Tang soo do is any more complete than TKD since TKD draws from other systems.


Again I wills state, conditioning is left to the practitioner. Americans doing muay thai probably do not train as hard as Thai practitioners. Same way most koreans train harder than americans.

Americans tend to be a little soft when it comes to conditioning in general.

I've seen out of shape muay thai people, i've seen out of shape TKD people. It doesn't tell me anything about the systems themselves only the strengths or weaknesses of that individual.

[kungfupanda]

Originally posted by eXcessiveForce
okay.

First, you asked me a question and then answered it yourself without finding out what my answer was.

I do not believe TKD is the best art for conditioning. It's as good as any other if that is what the person is training for.

As far as muay Thai being complete, that is silly. It has no ground fighting so it cannot be a complete art.

The system of TKD which I train as I have stated many threads before contains, all muay thai techniques, ground fighting, weapons training, and conditioning.

Most people do not train TKD forcombat orientation, but that is not the systems fault.

Also, Tang soo do is one of the base arts of TKD. Since TKD was created by combining all the arts of Korea it is not likely that Tang soo do is any more complete than TKD since TKD draws from other systems.


Again I wills state, conditioning is left to the practitioner. Americans doing muay thai probably do not train as hard as Thai practitioners. Same way most koreans train harder than americans.

Americans tend to be a little soft when it comes to conditioning in general.

I've seen out of shape muay thai people, i've seen out of shape TKD people. It doesn't tell me anything about the systems themselves only the strengths or weaknesses of that individual.

First of all. Muay Thai/Krabbikrabong does have ground fighting and all that. Just because a Muay Thai match rules doesn't allow them to go to the grapple doesn't mean they don't have it in their art. Think about it...your TKD has ground fighting (so you say) yet the rules don't allow you to grapple. So don't think that a Muay Thai fighter can't fight on the ground either.

For some, Muay Thai is a small part of Krabbi Krabong. For others, Muay Thai is only another name for Krabbi Krabong.

And I would go on about your TKD having grappling but...I don't feel like it.

[eXcessiveForce]

yes, it's best not to show your ignorance.

[Praetorian]

Great Sage.

Have you ever tryed ITF Taekwondo

[koto_ryu]

TKD in Korea is pretty fucking outstanding. I've trained with ROK Marines, most of which hold dan levels or above in both TKD and Hapkido and they are some baaaaaad boys. They do impact conditioning (body hardening), hand conditioning, full-contact unpadded sparring, and a variety of other things.

[Hardball]

Tae Kwon Do is nice if you modify it for combat. Bring the kicks down lower and keep it simple..If you just want rank; then that's a different issue. For self defense Tae Kwon Do is good but you gotta practice. The weakness with TKD is the grappling range but most TKD practitioners know how to keep their adversary in kicking or punching range thus grappling doesn't become an issue.

[Andrew WA]

There are no rules to martial arts. Almost all martial arts have the same techniques. Its just the way people go about fighting. And yes fighting is what martial arts are about, that is why they were created. I am sick of the attitudes of most americans who think that going to a martial arts class is going to make them baddass dangerous fighters without even trying to work hard. Especially these women who want to lern self defesne, they dont even want to break a freaking nail to save their lives!!
Every martial arts is the same thing...FIGHTING!! Bruce Lee said it best that everyone has the same fighting style and we all have 2 arms and 2 legs. Im sick of you ingorant people who try to bash another martial art and say your art is the best and everyone else sucks. You think you have the best conditioning? You think that in martial arts there are RULES to conditioning? So why then does every art have push ups and every art have sit ups practically? So whos to say that in TKD its illiegal to conidition your feet and shins and fists?
Taekwondo has everything any other martial art has, the difference is the focus and a lot of schools throw out stuff or forget it exists. Muy Thai has the same kicks Taekwondo has, the difference is the focus of the kicks. WHo cares WHAT PART of the foot or leg you use! A round kick is a round kick, just muy thai wants to use shins more and use it as more of a driving force. Is that to say TKD doesnt do the same sometimes?

Im also sick of stupid idiot instructors who are close minded and the fattass "masters" who think they are so tough but they are nothing but fatties. Im also sick of the daycare centers and all the money they want.

I wil fight any muy thai figher to the death and I will win. Do you know why? Because I will use a freakin gun and shoot his ass and kill him and then explain to his bloody corpse "My Taekwondo defeated your muy thai."

And the analogy of a history class and calculus was horrible. It would better have been said by saying the difference between a calculus class and a trig class. Its all math but different and if you are trying to be a master of math then you would be an absolute fool to ignore other points from other types of math.

[jubaji]

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I wil fight any muy thai figher to the death and I will win. Do you know why? Because I will use a freakin gun and shoot his ass and kill him and then explain to his bloody corpse "My Taekwondo defeated your muy thai."
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Idiot.

[Andrew WA]

Whats a matter? Cant come up with a good comback? You suck!

I bet I could fight very well against the typical student of muy thai who trains at a school, and that is with no weapons. So bring it on.