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  • #61
    Combatives!

    Hand TO Hand,

    I agree, many people claiming to study combatives fail to realize the totality of training. As civilians (for the most part) they lack several aspects of combatives.
    I am in a civilian role using combatives training in full. Yes, I practice martial arts and yes they play a role in my day to day duties! However, I spend equal training time on arrest and control, impact weapons, censor supression (gas, white light)...now major training roles in mental aspects are even primary to the physical...The proper application of the "Use of force continuem", threat assesment, ect.
    Basically, there are many aspect to combatives outside the relm of punching and kicking!
    As a civilian working as a proffesional security agent (corporate security, personal protection, ect.) I advise criminal justice classes as well as arrest and control, alternative force (impact baton, pepper spray, ect.) plus traditional arms (pistol, long gun), and hand to hand defensive tactics!
    To all who practice MA's for the purpose of self defense; you should be training in the legal aspects as well!
    Stop! (very loudly) I AM AFFRAID of YOU! (draw attention)...DO NOT COME ANY CLOSER OR I WILL DEFEND MY SELF AND WILL NOT HOLD BACK! (affords your attacker the opportunity to retreat and if he does not then you have proven reason to fear bodily harm...even allowing you a preimptive strike as you had reason to fear an attack even before allowing the attacker the opportunity to harm you!)...This is only a brief summorization of tactics!
    THese tactics are very important in a civilian role (even law enforcement)
    yet are far to often not taught these techniques which are very important!
    Now, I have traveled off path, but to those of you whom view this as new or even unnecissary...YOU ARE NOT TRAINING IN COMBATIVES OR DEFENSIVE TECHNIQUES in their TOTALITY!

    Spookey!

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    • #62
      You should train both at your school and alone. I don't know many maist that don't do both unless they are lazy. The problem with trainning alone is not having ppl to spar and correct mistakes.

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      • #63
        I know something you dont know(?) or do you?

        Originally posted by HandtoHand
        But are you training in bayonett fighting? I doubt it so by your definition you are not studying combatives.
        Well said.
        H2H,

        I have studied bayonet tactics, the M203 grenade launcher...the H&K G-3, MP-5, AR-15 / M-16, and a multitude of other weapons families (many RPG systems ect.)
        I am a student of counter insurgency, survival, E&E, century removal, ect...
        Does this experience not constitute COMBATIVES! (?)
        Basically, I am wondering what you feel I am missing so I can notify the professionals from which I receive my training.

        TAEKWON!
        SPOOKEY
        Last edited by Spookey; 02-13-2004, 03:02 AM. Reason: spelling

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        • #64
          Combat is a very loose word. This could mean any way of fighting. Combat usually refers to weapons now adays. It does at my dojang. We had a combat instructor that taught phillipino arts weapon fighting (very street oriented thats where the instructor is from). That is a damn good system too. I am not sure what happened (was a ma buddy of mine). They mentioned it comming back. It just didn't have enough students. I never attended to it (contradicted my schedule) but was shown stuff from it. He told me that I wouldn't be able to find him the last time I talked to him.

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          • #65
            I agree with that as long as you train in other stuff and that is not your main focus. Just like anything you study you will not be as advanced without the entirety.

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            • #66
              Well....

              as a kid (i am 16 now) like 5-10 i did my own martial arts somewhat like JKD becuz i could not afford martial arts but i learned from super street fighter 2 and ninja turtles and the mortal kombat movies and some kick boxing movies and all the jean claude van dammne movies and bruce lee's and it tought me alot i use to spar all the kids in the neighborhood it was the good ole fun days


              but studying on my own i got to learn the basics but now that i am in TKD it has helped me alot hehe they think i go home and practice all my stuff but i just learn it all the first day or as soon as they tech me so it is very helpfull to have a school but does not hurt to help teach yourself perserverance is the key to great skills ( i know i spelt that really wrong)

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              • #67
                Personally I learned everything I need to know in life from the Ninja Turtles and Power Rangers, anyone tries to touch me ill go Leonardo all over their candy as*. TKD has just furthered that.

                Sincerly,
                Andrew Velocci

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                • #68
                  When I voted on this pole I voted for in a school because I believe learning in a dojo IS more affective. Since you have a master to help you along the way, point out what might work well and might won't it does help a lot. But why stop there? Every martial artist passionate about what they do should train outside of their dojo at a park or in their house. A master can only show you they way, you must walk it yourself. By practicing at home it's helped me adapt what I've learned to myself and since everyone is different, why not use that to our advantage? Change your martial art to fit you out of classes, learn for yourself what you feel is right and what is wrong for you are the best master you can ever learn from.

                  Sincerly,
                  Andrew Velocci

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                  • #69
                    yea i agree

                    the school does help more becuz it makes your skill more precise and more accurate (i know you can self build accuracy but it is nice to have help everynow and then)

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                    • #70
                      I agree with you totally.

                      Sincerly,
                      Andrew Velocci

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by tkdkid
                        Hmm can military tkd be used in actual combat?...Is it like MMA?
                        tkd is still the martial art taught to the army special forces so im sure it works in real life situations if its taught to a group that elite.

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                        • #72
                          What army?

                          Damian Mavis
                          Honour TKD

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by sirmattu
                            tkd is still the martial art taught to the army special forces so im sure it works in real life situations if its taught to a group that elite.
                            There's some rock-solid logic for ya.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Damian Mavis
                              What army?

                              Damian Mavis
                              Honour TKD
                              Military TKD is taught as a curriculum in the Korean Army and Marines and some special forces, and they're one of the best spec ops in the world. US 2ID Ranger also uses military TKD and some BJJ to fortify themselves while stationed in Korea. Other world forces, like the Russian Spetznatz, mixes TKD with other martial arts to improve unarmed combat with their troops.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Yaberdaber
                                Military TKD is taught as a curriculum in the Korean Army and Marines

                                Every male in SKorea must serve two years in the military. They must earn their black belt in TKD during that time. Usually in the first year. Not really amazing stuff. Most strip malls are more demanding. They, like most soldiers, plan to kill the enemy with firearms.

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