What physiological traits give a man KO POWER in his fists???

[Joe Manco]

Tweety Bird said,
"Well Joe your full of shit."

RESPONSE:
The word is "you're" - and you're the one who's full of it.

Tweety Bird said,
"When Pernell Whitaker sat down on his punches and committed 100% he didn't KO guys,but according to your logic he would have."

RESPONSE:
Has the thought ever occured to you that Whitaker was neither 100% commited to the punch and that he arcs them with FAULTY technique on top of that?

Tweety Bird said,
"Crusher is right. Punchers are born not made. Hell I know guys that want to hit hard, put everything they have in there shots and still cant break an egg."

RESPONSE:
This time, the word is "their" shots, and if these people *truly* wanted to hit hard, but didn't, then you are omitting #2 from my equation - proper technique/leverage. Having a single-digit IQ you forgot that I included proper leverage/technique in my equation of a good puncher.

Tweety Bird said,
"How I look you would never expect me to be able to hurt people I am 6'3 165-178 in shape. Everyone I have fought after the fight comes up to me and tells me I had no clue you hit like that."

RESPONSE:
And how "you THINK" I would never expect you to survive and be able to feed yourself either. I already said being a puncher is natural - you've got to WANT TO *and* use the proper technique, and that muscles have nothing to do with it. Are you saying you're not trying to hit hard? Are you saying you use improper technique? Are you saying it's your big muscles that enable you to hit hard? No. No. No. So what you're really saying is that you AGREE WITH ME ... but you're too f*cking stupid to realize it.

Tweety Bird said,
"Is it because it's in my heart to be a puncher? No! It's because its a gift I was given that not alot of people have."

RESPONSE:
Again, the answer is YES! In your heart you have to be a puncher *and* in your style you're obviously implementating proper leverage ... precisely as I originally set forth.

Tweety Bird said,
"I know your going to comeback and insult me and all that shit,but I dont care you are a man with one arguement and after you put that out there you go to name calling. After you open up your own gym and start training fighters you come talk to me. BTW I am now 3-0 as a trainer. Until then SMOOCHES!"

RESPONSE:
I repeat, the word is "you're" - and yes I couldn't help but insult your cluessness to your own self. But congratulations on your 3-0 record. It was clearly gained inspite of your own unawareness of the psychology BEHIND the mechanics of punching. Not only that, people can win all kinds of fights WITHOUT being KO punchers to boot. Toodles to you too.

Yours truly,

Joe

[BIG BIRD]

Forgive me for my spelling errors but I was up all night at the hospital and still havent went to bed. Lets talk about Sweet Pea,you say he doesnt have proper technique. Damn in all of his fights I have watched I have never thought "hey he has poor technique." His technique is superb. But he just does not have that pop in his punches that is required to stop people. The kids I work with one of them being ranked in the top 10 in the nation all have proper technique. We do not allow them to represent Knott St. without it. You are right I did agree with you until you started acting like a prick and being holier than thou with all your bullshit. You and I both know my credentials when it comes to boxing are above and beyond everyone else's on this forum including you. When it comes to IQ where did you get your degree at? I will be receiving mine next year and I have supported myself since I was 18 with little help from my parents. Pit you should truly try to find a life outside of the forum. Maybe get a little sunshine,go make yourself feel like a big man by fighting animals,whatever makes you hard. I don't care,but I refuse to go for your bullshit like Ronin and so many before me.

With Love
BIRD

[Joe Manco]

ROTFLMAO!

Well, I hope nothing was seriously wrong at the hospital, but you mean you haven't GONE to bed yet

Whitaker has great speed, great timing, great savvy ... but he moves too much and ARM punches ever to be a KO puncher, simple as that, and you know it.

I am also surprised you resent my "holier than thou attitude" ... you who just made the statement, "You and I both know my credentials when it comes to boxing are above and beyond everyone else's on this forum including you."

LMAO

Where did I get my degree "at"? (LOL)
UCLA.

You've supported yourself since 18, great. One whole year now

Finally, I know I spend "too much time here" ... with my 197 posts ... compared to your "infrequent" 159 ... but at least you admitted you agreed with me ... and I'm glad you didn't get "caught up" in anything either

Yours truly,

Joe

[BIG BIRD]

Well at least we agree on one thing,we are the 2 biggest most self centered sonuvabitches on this forum.Also its been 5 years and for the past 5 months since my father died I have been helping pay my mothers mortgage. With that I say good fight and goodnight.

[Edited by BIG BIRD on 11-22-2000 at 01:25 PM]

[EJ]

Originally posted by Joe Manco
EJ asked the question because he is clueless and doesn't know WHAT to ask for. He is looking for some "physical" trait he can work on in the gym....

Yours truly,

Joe


[/B]

Yes.... sort of. I won't be in the gym trying to improve my KO power anytime soon... but the question intrigues me.

I was actually wondering why some big, ripped dudes hit like bitches, while some lil skinney bastids have dyno-mite in their fists.

Frank Bruno looked more powerful than Iron Mike... but he wasn't. Well, he is a pussy also.

It's the same as arm "strength" in baseball. Some guys have arms that look like macaroni noodles yet can blow 98+ (Mariano Rivera), and some look like linebackers and do the same (John Rocker, Rob Dibble). Then there are big guys that throw like chicks... Kirk Gibson and Barry Bonds come to mind....

[Tony10]

Hey, EJ: mechanics, man. Look at how f'ing hard Bruce Lee could hit, and he was tiny. I tell my students "Your arms aren't your power, your arms are merely conduits for the power." From there we go to "wax on, wax off."

J/K.

Anyway, look at the legs of a lot of great boxers [ed note: don't even start with the homo jokes], even somebody tiny like Naz--they are cut. They're using them to hit so hard.

I will say that a linebacker type who can master these mechanics is scary--I've had some of them in my class. Now that they have the mechanics down, you've got that muscle mass and weight making it even worse for your coconut if it gets in the way. But they are rare.

Yet most of the big weightlifter guys, like Joe says, do tend to hit like girls 'cause they're just swinging their arms. It doesn't matter how big the ammo is if the barrel is bent...

Actually, that's a misnomer because I have women students who hit harder--and more technically--than 90% of the guys.

[Joe Manco]

BIG BIRD:
Truly sorry about your circumstances, and credit to you for stepping up to the plate and handling them. I'll agree we are both self-centered SOBs LOL - and of course all of my prattle is just in fun Hasta.

EJ:
Yep, Bruno was a b!tch, everyone knows that - same with the muscular but feather-fisted Bruce Seldon

Gotta want to first, and gotta use the right technique and leverage second. Simple as that

Yours truly,

Joe

[Bau13]

Don Frye KO'ing that fat 400+ pounder with a jab...

Power helps but power alone wont score the KO...its hitting the right spot..

[Newbie]

I understand what some of you are saying about mentality, technique, hand speed, timing, etc. However, I'm sure we all agree that size and strength can not be discounted. No matter what Pernell Whittaker does or what mentality he applies, he will never deliver the K.O. power the slow fisted Geroge Foreman does with arm punches.

[BIG BIRD]

Yeah Pit its real hard being at the hospital all night when you broke your toe jumping up and running outside to go see if kids are breaking into your car. I feel like a big pussy crying to my g/f "its swollen" while I am ruining our new carpet with blood everywhere. Also did you ever see Whitaker-Jose Luis Ramirez II because for the last 4 rounds Sweet Pea sat down on everything he threw. He didn't want it to go to the judges after being gang raped in the first Ramirez fight. ALso Ramirez doesn't have a world class chin by any means. Well I will I hope we find another way to piss each other off soon.

[EJ]

Joe Manco:

LOL!!! Yea... Bruce Seldon came to my mind also, but Bruno was a lil more extreme.

Tyson showed us what they were both drizzling snatches....

Tony10:

Yea.... leg power = powerful drive.... Nolan Ryan's heat was generated by the tremendous drive he got from his godzilla thighs (sorry for the baseball analogies).

[BIG BIRD]

Don't dog Bruce "Atlantic CIty Express" Seldon. He was a solid boxer and at one time was considered a bigger prospect than Ray Mercer or Riddick Bowe. He had alot of speed never was a big puncher even whe he was being fed tomato cans. He was able to outbox much taller men with his lighting like jab. When he was coming up fighting on espn and THE RING had an article on him I became a big fan and I still am. The boxing exhibition he put on Tony Tucker to win the title was beautiful. He actually had an easier time with Tucker than Tyson did. He was just overcome with fear when he fought Tyson. But other fighters suffered from that also can you say Michael Spinks? I thought so.

[Edited by BIG BIRD on 11-22-2000 at 05:46 PM]

[Biz]

It's all about what happens natural.

I have one punch power, but you know what, I'm not even thinking about turning my hips or snapping my hand down or turning my shoulder into it etc. It all comes naturally.

I know I've got a hard, quick punch, so the only thing going through my mind is to hit the guy. Kinda like what Joe said early in the form. But if you don't naturally have the skills, it might not matter how your physical traits are.

But hitting them in the right spot will knock them out easier. Go for the back of the jaw. It causes their jaw to snap setting their equal-libreum all off balance. Don't hit em in the temple or ear, you don't want to kill them.

[Edited by Biz on 11-22-2000 at 06:23 PM]

[The Colonie Crusher]

A couple things I noticed from these replys:

1) Joe Manco doesn't know shit about punching. Sorry Joe. But the truth hurts. Just because you WANT to hit hard doesn't mean you're going to. According to your logic, I should be able to bench 500 lbs. just because "I DAMN WANT TO!!!" C'mon Joe, get with the program pal. You either can punch or not. No head games are needed.

2) From what I can tell, BIG BIRD, knows his shit about boxing. Everything he said made sense...up until he said Bruce Seldon was good. Seldon was an overated skank. All he had was a jab. His chin was right up there with Tommy Morrisons'...PATHETIC.

3) Everyone seems to agree that natural power and technique are more important in a KO punch than size and power.

[Joe Manco]

Big Bird:
Yep, saw that fight. Was elated when What-A-Cur lost to Ramirez in France. He ran too much and deserved to lose. Also, Ramirez had a pretty solid chin, so not being able to floor him was no surprise.

Colon Muncher:
I see your IQ is in the single digits too. I said you have to want to punch hard AND use the proper technique. Remember, I had a 1) and a 2) ... but I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that you can't contain more than one thought at a time.

But sorry, pal, "power" has nothing to do with KO skill ... as again some incredibly weak, frail men have been killer KO artists ... and some incredibly strong men have been feather-fisted. It is YOU who needs to get with the program and learn how to absorb what you read. But I agree, Big Bird proved his knowledge of boxing ... as soon as he agreed w/ me

Yours truly,

Joe