h.s wrestling for a newb

[kodankan]

I still pick the big guy. lol



supplements...the man needs a sandwhich. Just look at him he's starving. Look into those eyes. Those are the eyes of a little starving chinese boy who was sold to the circus by his parents and made to do cartwheels for moldy bread.

awww man you are so right on
that is the funniest thing ive heard all day
i was watching enter the dragon the other day and i was like....."daaaaammmnn dude......bruce!....splurge man....have a pizza."

[kodankan]

Having a little trouble with consistency, chinko breath?

i like how jubaji misquoted me to make me look bad.
he left off the part about how when i said wrestling sucks it was just my opinion and nothing more.
I think jubaji is trying to get me mad. Sorry man, i dont get mad. It must suck to be such a hateful little boy though. I feel bad for you.....i do. you kinda remind me of cartman on south park. funny as hell, but everyone hates him still. Pudgy pasty and strapped with an annoying voice too.
yet i still like cartman.

[kodankan]

and what the hell is "chinko breath"

[IPON]

in fact lets try a new subject..................
tito ortiz vs. Bruce Lee
who wins?

Did you see Ortiz against Coulture what a wuss

[bvermillion]

This thread isn't about what is better Martial Arts or Wrestling. It is about helping My Empy Hands with a decision about wrestling or not. He did martial arts for 12 years. I am positive he knows what they are bout. Now he is asking about wrestling not which is better.

[MyEmptyHands]

Thank You bvermillion

[adacas]

what was the question again? hehe

[kodankan]

This thread isn't about what is better Martial Arts or Wrestling. It is about helping My Empy Hands with a decision about wrestling or not. He did martial arts for 12 years. I am positive he knows what they are bout. Now he is asking about wrestling not which is better.

exactly
that is why my advice way earlier in the discussion was:
if you want to do it...do it
no harm in learning something new
then these other punks came in attacking me and that is what changed the flow of topic.

[IPON]

wrestling sucks period. dont bother
spend that time in martial arts class. It will prepare you for the real thing

Dude this is why the thread changed this was your first response

[kodankan]

Dude this is why the thread changed this was your first response

EXACTLY AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE:
this was my OPINION!
it was also followed by my advice to the person on what to do.
other chose to take my opinion and try to castrate me for it, instead of just sharing their opinion and being done with it.
after stating my OPINION, i was hampered with questions as to my own validity, and qualifications. I never heard any of theirs but i had to accomodate with my own. I was also called names, flipped off, and told that i was stupid and ignorant.
how can someone be stupid and ignorant for their opinion?
Only people who present false pretenses stating them as facts can be called stupid and ignorant, not someone expressing their opinion as just that.
opinions can never be wrong because of their nature by definition.
In fact the ignorant person is the one who says bold statements about my style without even knowing what my style involves like jubaji did.

ONe last thing.....TO THE PERSON WHO SAID I DONT KNOW CRAP ABOUT WRESTLING AND SHOULDNT COMMENT ON IT I SAY THIS!
I have ten years in the martial arts.
I ALSO WENT TO COLLEGE ON FULL RIDE WITH A WRESTLING SCHOLARSHIP YOU LITTLE DICKS.
SO I THINK I PROBABLY KNOW MORE ABOUT WRESTLING THAN YOU DO.
AND GUESS WHAT?
MY OPINION IS STILL THE SAME. COMPARED TO MARTIAL ARTS AS A WAY OF DEFENDING YOURSELF..........WRESTLING STILL SUCKS AND IS VERY LACKING IN THAT AREA.
i am now done with this subject.
jubaji........xerox....... **** off.

p.s. I didnt mention before about my wrestling background, because i didnt think i needed to until now. and by waiting and letting you guys trash me so bad, it made you look like even more of complete jackasses.
this conversation is over.

[IPON]

You are going off in left field. I am just saying that the intial question was "Should I start wrestling in HS", the context was sport not SD. Noone was comparing wrestling to any MA. The guy stated that he was in shape and studied MA for 9yrs. He just used the point about MA training to indicate he is used to training hard. So when you trashed wrestling and made it a this VS that that is where the thread turned..cool

With that said, you may be/been a wrestler but you didn't consider wrestling grappling You also state that "you have never been beat by a wrestler. Most wrestlers would not say wrestling sucks, maybe not practical. As I said before not everyone can apply the techques for street use, you have to look in teh mirror for that answer (no flame). So yes wresting can be effective becuase I have used it in many street fights but I would not of course compare it to judo or jujitsu and I do not think anyone would say it is a sustitute for actyual fight training, combat sport that is a different issue.

Actually, I started to realize its effectiveness when I was young and sparred with my Uncle. I could never understand why somone would trade kicks when they could shoot. So I challegenged my uncle. Now this was before I knew of any judo jujutsu etc. He got me with a few kicks, but the match ended like most BJJ vs some other standup style, with him on the ground completly helpless (grapevined and underhooked). At that point he told me he was frightended becuase he could do nothing. Now instead of learning some grappling techniques, he insisted that it was an artificial situation that would never happen in reality. I challeged again he refused. Keep in mind he is about 10years older than me and I was limited to wrestling only and he could use all techniques (2nd dan TKD).

Now if someone wants to learn to fight, I say study MA and if you are undecided about style start boxing for 6 months and do reseach on other MAs. Wrestling has a lot of core value for fighting but is not a complete art by itself, just as boxing is not it was not designed to be, but it does not mean that it does not have application.

Do you have a link to your style? I have always been 50/50 regarding combination styles (a little of this a little of that) even with Bruce Lee. Some are good and other are really poor. Your style doesnot sound like it is karate anymore Boxing -hands, MT kicks, Judo TDs, Aikido locks and I assume you mean BJJ (not JJJ) and that is for ground fighting. It sounds more like some comabatives/SBG style than karate.

One comment I would make is that realistic/alive training is good but constant broken ribs and noses that happens in your dojo - damn!!......does anyone know control or defense.

[kodankan]

ok i agree with most of what you have to say.

1. I said i had never been beaten by a wrestler....i meant in the ring, maybe because of my wrestling experience, you never know

2. my style is a karate style with highlights and crosstraining involved to help us be more rounded fighters. but it still is and old school karate style. very close to kenpo just not so many open handed techiniques.

3. jubaji said..."have you ever knocked out another studet?no
he made this statement blindly. I was just stating that in my school it has happened. not every day like you make it soud. we also point fight a lot becasue of certain tournament circuits. we have control. But we also have our sessions where it gets rough, but on purpose. to help train for contact tournaments.

4. Unfortunately....no link to our style. there are only 3 schools teaching our style in northern cali. and 2 in seatle. we arent too closely knit with the others so we dont have a website....yet

besides that you make good points and here are my answers

[jubaji]

EXACTLY AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE:
this was my OPINION!

after stating my OPINION, i was hampered with questions I was also called names, flipped off, and told that i was stupid and ignorant.
how can someone be stupid and ignorant for their opinion?

opinions can never be wrong because of their nature by definition.
ONe last thing.....TO THE PERSON WHO SAID I DONT KNOW CRAP ABOUT WRESTLING AND SHOULDNT COMMENT ON IT I SAY THIS!
I have ten years in the martial arts.
I ALSO WENT TO COLLEGE ON FULL RIDE WITH A WRESTLING SCHOLARSHIP YOU LITTLE DICKS.
SO I THINK I PROBABLY KNOW MORE ABOUT WRESTLING THAN YOU DO.
AND GUESS WHAT?
MY OPINION IS STILL THE SAME. COMPARED TO MARTIAL ARTS AS A WAY OF DEFENDING YOURSELF..........WRESTLING STILL SUCKS AND IS VERY LACKING IN THAT AREA.
i am now done with this subject.
jubaji........xerox....... **** off.

p.s. I didnt mention before about my wrestling background, because i didnt think i needed to until now. and by waiting and letting you guys trash me so bad, it made you look like even more of complete jackasses.
this conversation is over.

You are a poor liar. And your little victim bit isn't working. My opinion is that you are a dickless little wuss who thought he could mouth off on the internet without consequence and now your little feelings are hurt. How touching.

[jubaji]

ok i agree with most of what you have to say.

1. I said i had never been beaten by a wrestler....i meant in the ring, maybe because of my wrestling experience, you never know

2. Unfortunately....no link to our style.

hahahahaahaahaha

Oh, how those lies will come back to bite ya! Spin control has begun.

[kodankan]

hahahahaahaahaha

Oh, how those lies will come back to bite ya! Spin control has begun.

Dude, seriously who cares?
I never lied about shit.
you just keep on going.
And just what are your qualifications?
I ve share mine and had to explain them
Actually.....you know what?
I dont care about your qualiffications.
i will not respond to your statements any more.
you sound like my 14 year old nephew anyway.