BJJ points system

[wardancer]

BJJ is by no means a complete art, but it is one of the best at what it does.
Points or no.

Cheers Jez

Hi Tcell,
It's get even better in Vale Tudo training which is BJJ afterall.
Trust me,

[sherwinc]

Hi Tcell,
It's get even better in Vale Tudo training which is BJJ afterall.
Trust me,

how about Japanese JuiJitsu??????

[IPON]

But it is hard to achieve that in 5 minutes fight (time limit due to competition timetable) and that is hard to 'pull' a sub move on an opponent that have 'equal' skills level.

I can see where that may be a problem but I would differ and say 5 minute is a long time on the mat. This is part of the problem when ppl compare sport vs reality....real fights should not last that long. So you can argue if you cannot make the techniques work quickly then.........I guess drw your own conclusions

I know you were referring to an opponent with equal skill in the context of a BJJ match. What happens in teh case of a tie 0-0 4-4 etc. are there criteria to decide winner or is it just a tie?

[wardancer]

I can see where that may be a problem but I would differ and say 5 minute is a long time on the mat. This is part of the problem when ppl compare sport vs reality....real fights should not last that long. So you can argue if you cannot make the techniques work quickly then.........I guess drw your own conclusions

I know you were referring to an opponent with equal skill in the context of a BJJ match. What happens in teh case of a tie 0-0 4-4 etc. are there criteria to decide winner or is it just a tie?

Hi IPON,
I do not see a problem with 5 minutes fight either,
It should give enough time to sort out the issue e.g. a real fight.
But I would like to see a BJJ final extended to 10 minutes.
The tie should be given to the 'lighter' fighter.
In case, if both fighters are exactly the same weight (e.g 86 KG exactly), the fighter that 'accumulated' most point during the tournament should win.

[Thai Bri]

Hi Tcell,
It's get even better in Vale Tudo training which is BJJ afterall.
Trust me,

Yeah, right. Lets trust him, because he's done a tiny bit of experimenting with boxing gloves whilst grappling. Now he thinks he's training Vale Tudo!

Haw haw haw!

[wardancer]

Yeah, right. Lets trust him, because he's done a tiny bit of experimenting with boxing gloves whilst grappling. Now he thinks he's training Vale Tudo!

Haw haw haw!

Hi Tai Bri,
LOL
I am talking about BJJ competition.
I am not talking about Vale Tudo?
Getting confused?
Unless you forgot, you started this thread,

[Thai Bri]

What thread?

[medic06]

a fight does not end because of a perfectly executed throw like it does in judo competition.

Have you ever been the recipient of a perfectly executed throw?

I've been on the wrong end of a not so perfect throw on grass and it pretty much was the end of the match

[medic06]

In judo it does not matter were throw him,

Wrong. A good throw is all about establishing good position and control.

how much control you have over him, and were you or your opponent lands because you will be stood up quickly after going to the ground.

Wrong again. In Judo you are not stood up immediately. you are allowed to work on the ground until it is obvious no progress is being made by either participant. However most Judoka prefer the stand up game so they force a stalemate on the ground so that they can be stood back up or they just simply stand up on their own.

I see the point that Thai Bri is making. With the point system you can work the rules to your advantage. For instance, after taking a dominant position and getting your points, you can then employ the strategy of just maintaining your dominant position for 5 minutes instead of going for the submission. It's much less riskier to simply keep you position rather than work for the submission. It's a great strategy for competition but sucks on the street.

One of the beauties of BJJ is that it emphasizes working from a superior position and control. This is what all martial arts are supposed to do whether they are striking or grappling based.

Unfortunately most martial arts have forgotten this or they depend on the opponent to put themselves in a bad position. Good martial arts seek the superior position regardless of what the opponent is doing, but that's a topic for another thread.

[OmaPlata]

The points system in BJJ will kill it off as an effective real fighting art.

Discuss!

No instuctor teaches that you should just score points, they all want the student to go for the submission, even if it means taking some chances. if the points come, they come. Jacare sure doesnt sit on point leads

[SamuraiGuy]

What about Boxing... I mean its a sport... and its decided by points if there is no real winner... I dont think the point system killed it.

Everyone is still trying to knock the other guy out so it doenst get to the judges... sure when it gets to the last two rounds or so you will hear a trainer say "your ahead, dont try anything fancy" or something like that... to draw it out hwen they know they have a decision, but only because they fought so much better earlier on.

I dont think the point system is necessarily all that bad... but I think they should make it longer than 5 minutes if they are going to have decisions, make sure there is enough time for someone to get a submission.

I know I will always be looking for a submission when I compete though.

[medic06]

Not all boxers look for a knockout. The name of the game is to win, and if winning rounds does it, then that's what they do.

[SamuraiGuy]

Hmm... all the ones I want to watch, are looking for knockouts, and I think thats what almost everyone who watches boxing wants to see, if they dont want to go for a knockout, guess they dont want money, they only get money if people will pay to see them fight.

[medic06]

They get paid to fight however many rounds is in the bout. They get no extra money for getting them out of there early.

Of course they will knock their opponent out if the opportunity presents itself. But if you get in there throwing bombs looking for a knockout against someone with skill there is a good chance that you will: get countered and knocked out yourself; or, you will run out of gas halfway though the fight.

[SamuraiGuy]

I realize they get the same paycheck if its one round or 12... what I mean is... the big picture, more than just one fight.

They dont get offered a million dollars for one fight, if three people are going to buy the pay per view do you see what I mean.

Im not gonna buy a PPV to watch some guy dance around and go for a decision win, I expect most other people wouldnt want to buy that either.

If noone wants to see them fight, due to their boring style, noone pays for the pay perview, and they dont get offered any money, thats how they will lose money.